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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 9355704" data-attributes="member: 2525">Again, very not compelling. Completely not addressing the issues people have with this change, trying to essentially say &quot;the stuff you care about doesn't matter&quot; to people who think it matters. Imagine they changed armor class to purely some luck point system. People didn't like that change, and you kept responding, yelling, ARMOR IS NOT A WAY TO DESCRIBE AC ANYMORE. Would that be compelling? Would people who like AC like it is right now be persuaded because you just repeated that it was changed, over and over again, as if merely saying &quot;this change was made&quot; in different ways addresses the reasons people don't like the change?What part of &quot;this matters to a meaningful number of people&quot; is not sinking in? I don't care if you can klooge it into some half-assed mechanical system. That's not addressing the issues being raised, which I and others have outlined with many points none of which really comes down to mechanics as opposed to the distinction and unique separateness of half-elves as their own thing, a core direct choice, as opposed to just a kloogey human or kloogey elf. Until you and others stop defending the change blindly and actually address the reasons people are raising, it's very uncompelling.I mean, this is the entire theme of this thread - what it means for a race to end up in the PHB and the significance of it. How are people not able to address that meaning, and instead keep trying to shove a square peg into a round hole and call it round?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 9355704, member: 2525"] Again, very not compelling. Completely not addressing the issues people have with this change, trying to essentially say "the stuff you care about doesn't matter" to people who think it matters. Imagine they changed armor class to purely some luck point system. People didn't like that change, and you kept responding, yelling, ARMOR IS NOT A WAY TO DESCRIBE AC ANYMORE. Would that be compelling? Would people who like AC like it is right now be persuaded because you just repeated that it was changed, over and over again, as if merely saying "this change was made" in different ways addresses the reasons people don't like the change? What part of "this matters to a meaningful number of people" is not sinking in? I don't care if you can klooge it into some half-assed mechanical system. That's not addressing the issues being raised, which I and others have outlined with many points none of which really comes down to mechanics as opposed to the distinction and unique separateness of half-elves as their own thing, a core direct choice, as opposed to just a kloogey human or kloogey elf. Until you and others stop defending the change blindly and actually address the reasons people are raising, it's very uncompelling. I mean, this is the entire theme of this thread - what it means for a race to end up in the PHB and the significance of it. How are people not able to address that meaning, and instead keep trying to shove a square peg into a round hole and call it round? [/QUOTE]

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