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Message: <blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 5645212" data-attributes="member: 463">4e Epic is a rather odd mix of 3e "Very High Level" (16-20) and "Epic (21+).  If you look at the 3e monsters translated into 4e, some high-teens-CR monsters got turned into High Epic (eg the Balor) where they get to rub ELs with Atropals and other 3e-Epic stuff.So the answer might be 21+, but it could also be 16+.I think for Paragon, the answer is fairly clearly that in 3e it starts at the start of 'High' level, ie 11th, same as in 4e.  The question is whether it goes to 20th, or only 15th.  And of course spellcaster power escalation in 3e is so rapid, high level 3e spellcasters have far more power than their 4e equivalents of similar level.</blockquote>