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<blockquote data-quote="D+1" data-source="post: 1645706" data-attributes="member: 13654">Well then let me correct your incorrect correction.&nbsp; The rulebook I'm looking at is Gygax/Arneson, edited by Eric Holmes, c. 1974.&nbsp; My &quot;original&quot; copy is actually a PHOTOCOPY made by the good friend who introduced me to the game.&nbsp; It's the same as the one reprinted in the 25th Anniversary set with the Blue Cover (which I also have):So that pretty much ends that.&nbsp; Having the DM roll your character FOR you is just so whacked I'd really be interested to know which version, specifically, that is which indicates that.&nbsp; Any actual quotes?Yes, anyone could be a fighting man or any other class.&nbsp; However the phrase:And this is then followed by the method of ADJUSTING scores in order to make them more palatable for the chosen class.&nbsp; Stats first, THEN choose a class.&nbsp; THEN try to make the stats fit better.&nbsp; Not class, roll, fit better.&nbsp; The intention is undeniably to coerce the player into choosing a class to fit his stats rather than actually play the class he wants.I intentionally left it out because like Con it doesn't get adusted in that system.&nbsp; And I didn't mention Greyhawk, etc. because I do not have any other early references available to me.&nbsp; If I had, I would have mentioned them.The differences in game terms were minimal or non-existant and that was the point being made.&nbsp; An 18 str played exactly the same as a 5 str except for, as you say, roleplaying.&nbsp; You were being pushed to choose a class based on rolls rather than having a class of choice first, and yet the rolls themselves often made little difference at all.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="D+1, post: 1645706, member: 13654"] Well then let me correct your incorrect correction. The rulebook I'm looking at is Gygax/Arneson, edited by Eric Holmes, c. 1974. My "original" copy is actually a PHOTOCOPY made by the good friend who introduced me to the game. It's the same as the one reprinted in the 25th Anniversary set with the Blue Cover (which I also have): So that pretty much ends that. Having the DM roll your character FOR you is just so whacked I'd really be interested to know which version, specifically, that is which indicates that. Any actual quotes? Yes, anyone could be a fighting man or any other class. However the phrase:And this is then followed by the method of ADJUSTING scores in order to make them more palatable for the chosen class. Stats first, THEN choose a class. THEN try to make the stats fit better. Not class, roll, fit better. The intention is undeniably to coerce the player into choosing a class to fit his stats rather than actually play the class he wants. I intentionally left it out because like Con it doesn't get adusted in that system. And I didn't mention Greyhawk, etc. because I do not have any other early references available to me. If I had, I would have mentioned them. The differences in game terms were minimal or non-existant and that was the point being made. An 18 str played exactly the same as a 5 str except for, as you say, roleplaying. You were being pushed to choose a class based on rolls rather than having a class of choice first, and yet the rolls themselves often made little difference at all. [/QUOTE]

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