What monsters should be in a sequel to Tome of Horrors?

[BOZ]

Hey BOZ mate!



Well if the material is already written (which it purportedly is) and the book has already been announced (which it has) then I can't see things being changed.

Personally I think this move may hurt the dynamic of what the Tome of Horrors stands for.

I mean its not like they couldn't have come up with an alternate name. WotC have the Monster Manual (and sequel) and Fiend Folio...although there was no reason the recent Fiend Folio couldn't have been Monster Manual III...since the initial dynamic of the FF was that it was comprised of submissions compiled outside the company (then TSR).

So while I am all in favour of a sequel to the Tome of Horrors I think changing its 'unique selling point' (conversions) will be detrimental to the books reputation.

The idea (presumably?) from Necromancers point of view is that with the Tome of Horrors already an established name (and one with a great pedigree) any sequel can in part ride that wave of success. Whereas a wholly new concept book will have to build its reputation all over again.

i couldn't have said it better myself. really.

that said, i am all in favor of the idea behind the book (especially since some of my work will be in there, hehehe) and i'll support whatever final decision NG makes/made in regards to the name and whatnot.

 

[thundershot]

Hi thundershot mate!

Are those strange beasts in your sig. Guinea Pigs and if so does the one at the end with the glowing red eyes have the Fiendish Template?

Those are my kids... They're all Guinea Pigs. Alas, Basil isn't Fiendish... the camera flash just made his eye red... unless the camera knows something we don't!

Curiouser and curiouser.

They did love their ephemeral enemies in the OD&D Immortals game.

Yeah.. I noticed that too. The Master set has a lot of weird forms for some standard D&D critters, but in their true forms. (I flipped through the old books after I got the Immotals Rules out)

My character actually killed one once (Or at least a veritable carbon copy of one; we were playing AD&D not OD&D).

It was sucking Oerths magic force (yes the planet). So we had to retrieve an artifact from a sect of Incabulos worshippers called the Cult of the All Destroying Stone who also had Talos (the triple iron golem) as a guardian. Incabulos didn't take too kindly to a couple of (then) Demigods gatecrashing his temple and decided to show up himself, fortunately Incabulos 1st Ed. stats were fairly flimsy for a Greater God (thanks for that Gary! ). So, to cut a long story short we triumphed (with casualties) and gained the Stone (one of the fabled Stones of Amplification; akin to the giant meteor under Castle Greyhawk that Zagig used to imprison various Demigods).

The plan was to throw the stone into the beast which would try to drain the stone and overload. Of course we had to get close enough for it to work and we also needed someone to draw off the creatures attacks to give my character a chance. So we recruited the Norse Pantheon (of which my character was a member) and we gated to within a safe distance and attacked (in a scene similar to the Battle of Yavin I imagine), as we approached tentacle attacks were taking out Norse Gods left, right and centre. Luckily my character survived the initial attack and perhaps its my rose tinted nostalgia but I could swear Tyr (one of the few remaining Gods) said "your all clear kid now lets blow this thing and go home!".

Of course when my character was later asking Mordenkainen for aid during the Greyhawk Wars and played the "I saved your whole planet card" Mordie accused him of "Blowing his own trumpet". Fortunately for him my character was Lawful good even though slaying the archmage on the spot for such an afront crossed my mind,

Damn! Our characters never met any Greyhawk Icons. They just made a mess of everything else. They even had a Spelljamming ship and went around Greyspace looking for trouble... We had some good times, but nothing like that. Closest thing we dealt with was probably a Witchlight Marauder in its dormant stage...


Thanks
Chris

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi thundershot mate!

Those are my kids... They're all Guinea Pigs.

You mean you're not human.

Alas, Basil isn't Fiendish... the camera flash just made his eye red... unless the camera knows something we don't!

He looks sinister. I wouldn't turn my back on that one if you know whats good for you.

Yeah.. I noticed that too. The Master set has a lot of weird forms for some standard D&D critters, but in their true forms. (I flipped through the old books after I got the Immotals Rules out)

I'm going to have to buy the old OD&D Immortals Set (just for fun) next time I'm at a convention.

Damn! Our characters never met any Greyhawk Icons.

I think we encountered most of the luminaries (including fiends and deities) at one stage or another.

Most got minced.

They just made a mess of everything else. They even had a Spelljamming ship and went around Greyspace looking for trouble... We had some good times, but nothing like that. Closest thing we dealt with was probably a Witchlight Marauder in its dormant stage...

I think we covered a lot of ground in our time as deities:

- Aided Churchill and the reformed Knights of the Round Table against the Nazis (aided by Wotan; an evil aspect of Odin) on a version of Earth where the Industrial Revolution never happened.

- Teamed up with the Scarlet Brotherhood (in an attempt to turn them to good - I was half successful) against their forgotten ancestors in the Sea of Dust.

- Challenged (and was rebuked) by the fabled Sword Gods of Moorcockian fantasy. But I'll get them back one day.

- Traveled back in Time to stop my long lost relatives being assassinated by an artifact using Lich.

- Was Imprisoned by the Archdukes of Hell; that'll teach me for getting careless doing deals with them...but again, he who laughs last laughs longest and only the promise of an ungodly sum of money and items secured my release.

How many more do you want.