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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8633283" data-attributes="member: 18">Then I say &quot;WotC should stick to D&amp;D&quot;.d20 Modern was a beautiful trash fire. Like, maybe the fire smelled okay, and it had cool colours, and the trash bin it was in was pretty cool-looking, but it was a trash-fire nonetheless. There was literally nothing good about the system (the art/layout was fine at least!). I double-checked this like two years ago, because I thought &quot;Surely this can't be as bad as I remember, look at this pleasant art, it's just d20 bitterness!&quot;.Nope lol.I was right the first time, it's purely awful and incredibly, incredibly bad at what its stated purpose is, which is basically to emulation action-adventure movies and TV. It could hardly be more ill-suited for that. This is what happens when you arbitrarily &quot;stick close&quot; to a system even though it's totally inappropriate for what you're trying to do. The sad thing is, you can make a decent d20 game about that subject matter, but you need to be willing to depart a lot further than they were.So any non-setting-specific 5E Modern or 5E Sci-fi is going to eat dirt the same exact way d20 Modern did. Star Frontiers likely would too, though perhaps they could make it work. Star Wars d20 was a significant deviation and still not quite enough of a deviation to work, and likewise a 5E Star Wars that didn't deviate would just be D&amp;D in a Jedi robe. Also Jedi/Force Users would almost certainly be objectively better classes than all the rest.Gamma World would probably be fine but I'm just not interested.Do you honestly think 5E is going to be the system for that, though? We'll have people getting shot like 20 times and being fine by level 8, and the whole thing will be deep into &quot;farce&quot; territory, and not in a good way. If they deviated hard from 5E and did a sort of E6-ish thing I could see it working but the OP's position is that they don't.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8633283, member: 18"] Then I say "WotC should stick to D&D". d20 Modern was a beautiful trash fire. Like, maybe the fire smelled okay, and it had cool colours, and the trash bin it was in was pretty cool-looking, but it was a trash-fire nonetheless. There was literally nothing good about the system (the art/layout was fine at least!). I double-checked this like two years ago, because I thought "Surely this can't be as bad as I remember, look at this pleasant art, it's just d20 bitterness!". Nope lol. I was right the first time, it's purely awful and incredibly, incredibly bad at what its stated purpose is, which is basically to emulation action-adventure movies and TV. It could hardly be more ill-suited for that. This is what happens when you arbitrarily "stick close" to a system even though it's totally inappropriate for what you're trying to do. The sad thing is, you can make a decent d20 game about that subject matter, but you need to be willing to depart a lot further than they were. So any non-setting-specific 5E Modern or 5E Sci-fi is going to eat dirt the same exact way d20 Modern did. Star Frontiers likely would too, though perhaps they could make it work. Star Wars d20 was a significant deviation and still not quite enough of a deviation to work, and likewise a 5E Star Wars that didn't deviate would just be D&D in a Jedi robe. Also Jedi/Force Users would almost certainly be objectively better classes than all the rest. Gamma World would probably be fine but I'm just not interested. Do you honestly think 5E is going to be the system for that, though? We'll have people getting shot like 20 times and being fine by level 8, and the whole thing will be deep into "farce" territory, and not in a good way. If they deviated hard from 5E and did a sort of E6-ish thing I could see it working but the OP's position is that they don't. [/QUOTE]

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