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<blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 8639725" data-attributes="member: 6877472">The fact that DC's aren't in any way tethered to level is logical- it shouldn't be harder to climb a tree at level 20 than at level 1, but it does create some very odd problems when setting DC's.&nbsp; Most of the time, DC's seem to be set higher than I'd like them to be for characters with lower chances of success.&nbsp; But then, when characters do get abilities like Expertise, they can make checks pretty much all the time, to the point where it sometimes feels like we shouldn't bother asking them to roll at all.&nbsp; &quot;Oh yeah, right, Observant and Expertise in Perception, yeah, you see it.&quot;5e, IMO, needs rules for &quot;degrees of success&quot;.&nbsp; The social interaction rules take a stab at it, but I think it could be done better for all aspects of the system.Like, &quot;this is failure&quot;, &quot;this is failing forward&quot;, &quot;this is success&quot;.&nbsp; &quot;This is critical success for you lucky SOB's and optimizers&quot;.Some might want to add some kind of &quot;super failure&quot; but I'd be against that since it would only punish players who can't afford to be competent at every task.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="James Gasik, post: 8639725, member: 6877472"] The fact that DC's aren't in any way tethered to level is logical- it shouldn't be harder to climb a tree at level 20 than at level 1, but it does create some very odd problems when setting DC's. Most of the time, DC's seem to be set higher than I'd like them to be for characters with lower chances of success. But then, when characters do get abilities like Expertise, they can make checks pretty much all the time, to the point where it sometimes feels like we shouldn't bother asking them to roll at all. "Oh yeah, right, Observant and Expertise in Perception, yeah, you see it." 5e, IMO, needs rules for "degrees of success". The social interaction rules take a stab at it, but I think it could be done better for all aspects of the system. Like, "this is failure", "this is failing forward", "this is success". "This is critical success for you lucky SOB's and optimizers". Some might want to add some kind of "super failure" but I'd be against that since it would only punish players who can't afford to be competent at every task. [/QUOTE]

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