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Message: <blockquote data-quote="boredgremlin" data-source="post: 2239133" data-attributes="member: 31646">I dont know grapple really isnt that hard. My group all got together and came up with more complex grapple rules because we are all MMA fans and several of us compete in martial arts tournemants as well so we wanted something to better simulate real grappling.    And yeah i think we can blame you for forgetting to write it down the 2nd time it happens in the same game. The first time you cant figure it out and spend a half hour going through the books the whole party should write thier modifiers down then and  there. If no one does its not the rules fault. And making characters is time consuming but not complicated. You can print out the character sheets then just fill in all the blank boxes. Its pretty self explanatory.</blockquote>