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<blockquote data-quote="Kaodi" data-source="post: 3165399" data-attributes="member: 1231"><p>The entire notion that everyone who uses alternate form-like abilities and assumes completely average physical stats for that creature has always rubbed me the wrong way. I mean, if you have Ghakaar, the savage druid 8/barbarian 4 with str 16 dex 10 con 13 int 8 wis 16 cha 12, and Asheeja the delicate druid 8/bard 4 with str 8 dex 13 con 10 int 12 wis 17 cha 15, and they both wildshape into tigers, by the rules they both have str 23, dex 15 and con 17, and look more or less alike except one is male and one is female. It would make more sense, and a better picture to me, if they retained their natural traits in their new forms. So Ghakaar would be a hulking, muscular str 28, dex 14, con 18 and Asheeja would be a lean and sleek str 20, dex 16, con 16. Yeah, Ghakaar would be mean as heck in melee, but he would when they were in their natural forms as well. And if the situation is different, Asheeja probably makes a hell of a lot better nightingale than Ghakaar, if she uses ranks in perform (sing), and there are plenty of stories out there of people being entranced by a beautiful songbird.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Kaodi, post: 3165399, member: 1231"] The entire notion that everyone who uses alternate form-like abilities and assumes completely average physical stats for that creature has always rubbed me the wrong way. I mean, if you have Ghakaar, the savage druid 8/barbarian 4 with str 16 dex 10 con 13 int 8 wis 16 cha 12, and Asheeja the delicate druid 8/bard 4 with str 8 dex 13 con 10 int 12 wis 17 cha 15, and they both wildshape into tigers, by the rules they both have str 23, dex 15 and con 17, and look more or less alike except one is male and one is female. It would make more sense, and a better picture to me, if they retained their natural traits in their new forms. So Ghakaar would be a hulking, muscular str 28, dex 14, con 18 and Asheeja would be a lean and sleek str 20, dex 16, con 16. Yeah, Ghakaar would be mean as heck in melee, but he would when they were in their natural forms as well. And if the situation is different, Asheeja probably makes a hell of a lot better nightingale than Ghakaar, if she uses ranks in perform (sing), and there are plenty of stories out there of people being entranced by a beautiful songbird. [/QUOTE]

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