What spells should a cleric persistent?

[RigaMortus2]

Not sure if this is going to matter, but...

http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=254154

With your help, David Noonan and I have identified some rules that we feel need to be adjusted in Complete Divine. Although it is too early to release official errata for this book, please consider these changes official:

pg. 80; Divine Metamagic feat
Prerequisites: Ability to turn undead or rebuke undead, selected metamagic feat.
Benefit: When you take this feat, choose a metamagic feat you already have. This feat applies only to that metamagic feat. As a free action, you can take the energy from turning or rebuking undead and use it to apply a metamagic feat to divine spells that you know. ...
Special: Each time you take this feat, choose a different metamagic feat you know to which to apply it.

 

[Rkhet]

The Vigor spells all have a max duration, so that can't be extended (or made persistent) any more that...

Mike

Actually, that's just a caster-level cap, not a metamagic cap. The effects of Persistent overrides that.

To give a more familiar example, let's take a look at Fireball:

A fireball spell is an explosion of flame that detonates with a low roar and deals 1d6 points of fire damage per caster level (maximum 10d6) to every creature within the area.

Are you saying that it can't be Empowered because the maximum damage possible is 10d6?

It is true that Vigor can't be Persisted. But Mass Lesser Vigor, which has a fixed range instead of touch, can be.

 

[Rkhet]

Other interesting, Divine Metamagic Persistable spells at lvl 3 are:

Lesser Visage of the Deity (+4 enhancement to cha, resistances, Complete Divine)
Channeled Divine Shield (DR10/evil, PHBII)

 

[ThirdWizard]

Are you saying that it can't be Empowered because the maximum damage possible is 10d6?

I don't know about Vigor, but Empower doesn't increase the damage dice.

 

[Rkhet]

Touche.

Enhance Spell, then.

 

[Piratecat]

Broken or not, it is still rules legal, dude.

Unless you're his DM, I don't think you should be telling him how to enjoy his game, dude.

Because it's just a game, dude.

p.s. Check out the character optimization boards at the WoTC site. I'm sure they will welcome your opinions of game balance there.

Rkhet, Mistwell, enough with the 'dude.' You're both clearly using them to be offensive to one another, and you should both know better than that. C'mon, guys; it's certainly possible to disagree with someone's opinion without getting defensive and snarky.

In addition please read this rule. Saying "take it to the character optimization forum" fits very nicely under this same guideline, so please avoid doing so as well.