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<blockquote data-quote="mellored" data-source="post: 7040770" data-attributes="member: 6801209">All of those are fine, but none really stop a warlord from existing.No reason a warlord buff couldn't take concentration.&nbsp; 3.5 martial has aura's that required you to be conscious, and limited you to 1 at a time (well 2, one of each).&nbsp; Call it a &quot;stratagem&quot; or something.No reason a warlord action grant couldn't take someone's reaction.&nbsp; You don't want 4 warlords all granting attacks to 1 rogue.No reason action economy couldn't degrade or be limited.&nbsp; Giving up your full action to grant 1 attack for instance.&nbsp; There are also already limits on most things, like spell slots, ki, ect...&nbsp; warlord can help when you use them, but not how often.&nbsp; And he should be doing something to carry his weight.There's no question 4e warlord was OP and granted too much.&nbsp; It's not hard to tone it down, and don't grant the whole party a free attack with your bonus action.&nbsp; It doesn't mean you can't grant attacks at all.Same as the 3.5 wizard was OP.&nbsp; Doesn't mean you can't have fireball in 5e, just not one with less damage.And I found my Frankenstein warlord.Each feature already exists.1: Bardic Inspiration, Protection Fighting Style2: PDK second wind, expertise persuasion3: Combat Superiority4: ABI5: Font of Inspiration (bard)6: Tactical Master (master mind rogue)7: Multi-Attack.8: ABI9: Bardic Inspiration (d8), Combat superiority (d8)10: Cutting Words (lore bard), Battle Inspiration (valor bard)11: PDK action surge12: ABI13: Panache (swashbuckler)14: Bardic inspiration, combat superiority (d10).15: PDK indomitable (2x)16: ABI17: 2nd action surge.18: Bardic Inspiration, combat superiority (d12).19: ABI20: Relentless, Superior Inspiration.Not perfect, but defiantly in the ball park.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="mellored, post: 7040770, member: 6801209"] All of those are fine, but none really stop a warlord from existing. No reason a warlord buff couldn't take concentration. 3.5 martial has aura's that required you to be conscious, and limited you to 1 at a time (well 2, one of each). Call it a "stratagem" or something. No reason a warlord action grant couldn't take someone's reaction. You don't want 4 warlords all granting attacks to 1 rogue. No reason action economy couldn't degrade or be limited. Giving up your full action to grant 1 attack for instance. There are also already limits on most things, like spell slots, ki, ect... warlord can help when you use them, but not how often. And he should be doing something to carry his weight. There's no question 4e warlord was OP and granted too much. It's not hard to tone it down, and don't grant the whole party a free attack with your bonus action. It doesn't mean you can't grant attacks at all. Same as the 3.5 wizard was OP. Doesn't mean you can't have fireball in 5e, just not one with less damage. And I found my Frankenstein warlord. Each feature already exists. 1: Bardic Inspiration, Protection Fighting Style 2: PDK second wind, expertise persuasion 3: Combat Superiority 4: ABI 5: Font of Inspiration (bard) 6: Tactical Master (master mind rogue) 7: Multi-Attack. 8: ABI 9: Bardic Inspiration (d8), Combat superiority (d8) 10: Cutting Words (lore bard), Battle Inspiration (valor bard) 11: PDK action surge 12: ABI 13: Panache (swashbuckler) 14: Bardic inspiration, combat superiority (d10). 15: PDK indomitable (2x) 16: ABI 17: 2nd action surge. 18: Bardic Inspiration, combat superiority (d12). 19: ABI 20: Relentless, Superior Inspiration. Not perfect, but defiantly in the ball park. [/QUOTE]

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