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<blockquote data-quote="Guest 6801328" data-source="post: 7042119">Hmm.I suppose if somebody selectively read my (rather extensive) posts, and then willfully misinterpreted those selections in the worst possible light, then, yes, that's a reasonable summary.&nbsp; (It does make me wonder if attacking the character of somebody who disagrees indicates the lack of a counter-argument.)I tried to make clear that's it's not just my own dislike of the class, in the sense that I dislike Drow, but that I actually think the presence of the class would be bad for the game.&nbsp; I believe the way it defines the class, the design space that it carves out, crosses a line.But let's talk about this &quot;should not exist&quot; part.&nbsp; My opposition is not to the &quot;existence&quot; of the Warlord in non-core materials; I am opposed to it becoming canonized in the core books, if there is ever such an expansion.&nbsp; Let's say that the litmus test is whether it becomes permissible in AL play.&nbsp; Anything below that I'm fine with.So am I still being selfish?&nbsp; And arrogant?Tell me this: could there be any proposed addition to the game...a Jedi class, a Smurf race, smart phones, nuclear weapons...that you think would be bad for the game if they became &quot;official&quot;.&nbsp; Anything that, if asked, you would say, &quot;No...I think it would be a bad idea to put that into the game.&quot;&nbsp; Not just a use of page space that you would rather see spent on something else (even though that alone is a perfectly fine justification for opposition, in my opinion) but something that would actually make the game worse?&nbsp; Something that you could perhaps house-rule away*, but that came with the suggestion that the designers were moving in a direction with which you disagreed?If not, then we are clearly NOT on the same page about game design and we're simply never going to understand each other.But if so, then are you being selfish and arrogant?&nbsp; Or are you trying to protect a game you enjoy from evolving into something you would enjoy less?*And if house-ruling away an official class is a valid solution, then so is house-ruling in an unofficial class.&nbsp; So that argument goes either way.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Guest 6801328, post: 7042119"] Hmm. I suppose if somebody selectively read my (rather extensive) posts, and then willfully misinterpreted those selections in the worst possible light, then, yes, that's a reasonable summary. (It does make me wonder if attacking the character of somebody who disagrees indicates the lack of a counter-argument.) I tried to make clear that's it's not just my own dislike of the class, in the sense that I dislike Drow, but that I actually think the presence of the class would be bad for the game. I believe the way it defines the class, the design space that it carves out, crosses a line. But let's talk about this "should not exist" part. My opposition is not to the "existence" of the Warlord in non-core materials; I am opposed to it becoming canonized in the core books, if there is ever such an expansion. Let's say that the litmus test is whether it becomes permissible in AL play. Anything below that I'm fine with. So am I still being selfish? And arrogant? Tell me this: could there be [I]any[/I] proposed addition to the game...a Jedi class, a Smurf race, smart phones, nuclear weapons...that you think would be bad for the game if they became "official". Anything that, if asked, you would say, "No...I think it would be a bad idea to put that into the game." Not just a use of page space that you would rather see spent on something else (even though that alone is a perfectly fine justification for opposition, in my opinion) but something that would actually make the game worse? Something that you could perhaps house-rule away*, but that came with the suggestion that the designers were moving in a direction with which you disagreed? If not, then we are clearly NOT on the same page about game design and we're simply never going to understand each other. But if so, then are you being selfish and arrogant? Or are you trying to protect a game you enjoy from evolving into something you would enjoy less? *And if house-ruling away an official class is a valid solution, then so is house-ruling in an unofficial class. So that argument goes either way. [/QUOTE]

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