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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gradine" data-source="post: 7048133" data-attributes="member: 57112">Archivist... Factotum... Spellthief... Incarnate... Binder... Psion...It's excessively hard to model the whole breadth of what a 4e class could do in 5e; the best you can really do is decide what the core powers of the class are and build a class around that. Which is why I say that we already have (several) Warlords in 5e... they just came far shy of what a 4e warlord could do (mostly because that would be impossible in 5e, but also partially due to the fact they were subclasses and not a full class with subclasses of its own). You could do a lot more with a full-class version, but I suspect it's still going to fall substantially short. Note that while nobody's clamoring for a 4e Fighter in 5e, the constant call for a "spell-less Ranger" was basically about asking for a 4e Ranger.When people talk about "caster supremacy", though, that is an edition-war red flag. 5e, I feel, has done a really good job of balancing all of the classes, at least when compared to 3.X, across all three pillars, while still making each class feel unique, something I felt 4e struggled with. Obviously this is not a universal belief. But calling foul on "caster supremacy" is generally a call for some version of the symmetric power structure of 4e. I will take a pass on that.That said, as I've mentioned previously I love class bloat. I think new classes present new and interesting play mechanics and opportunities, and as I've argued in the past I don't see class bloat as having anything to do with the power creep present in 3.5 (I can't speak for PF, but in 3.5 CoDzilla still reigned supreme, and not even Book of the Nine Swords really ever changed that; 3.5's power creep was almost entirely based on feats & magic items). So yeah, I'd love to see a new take on Warlord as a full class (there's precedent for this anyway: see Artificer). But I'd much rather see WotC spend their resources first on other full classes that bring something new to 5e (Psion, Factotum, Archivist, Spellthief, etc.) I think some of those could be subclasses (Archivist as a Wizard subclass, for instance; I could see Binder as a Warlock pact boon, to be honest). But PDK as a full-class? I don't know I'd agree that we need that right away.Alternatively, we could get it and then be done with it and then move on with our lives to more interesting mechanical expansions. I'd be happy either way, but happier if we got some of my other wishlist classes first.My two cents, anyway.</blockquote>

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