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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tuxgeo" data-source="post: 7048238" data-attributes="member: 61026">I'm going to recap parts of this conversation for the sake of context: (Aldarc said) (And Elfcrusher replied) Here, I offer an alternative interpretation: That's not a "spidey sense" -- that's suspicion triggered by your acknowledged lack of understanding, which you describe below. The difference, of course, is that true "spidey senses" (if there were any true examples of that) would be responding to the actual existence of examples of the thing being sensed; but mere suspicion can occur without the actual existence of anything worthy of being suspicious about.(Then Aldarc replied to that) (And Elfcrusher replied again, this time describing and acknowledging a lack of understanding) Emphasis added above. IMHO, D&D is more accurately described as a Roleplaying game that does high-magic well, but that also has the capability to do low-magic nearly as well; and some players want it to do a better job of the latter. If you sufficiently and consistently persuade yourself into truly believing that "D&D is a high-magic game," then it will continue to be difficult-to-impossible for you to understand the motivations of those for whom that description ("is a high-magic game") isn't necessarily true of all possible uses of the game.Oh, you know already quite a bit of the truth. You're right when you say that different people have different reasons for wanting a full Warlord class. Here's one factor you may have missed: It isn't just the presence of specific features that the Warlord fans want; but more than that, it's the ability to use those features as much as can be fit into 5E. A Fighter subclass won't ever achieve that "as much as can be fit into 5E" criterion because a Fighter has too many other built-in features that accomplish other things (hit die size, Extra Attack, etc.), and those cut into the room for a Warlord-y subclass of the Fighter to do more Warlord-y things without becoming way overpowered in the process of building it that way.For the people who want to do Warlord-y stuff as much as can be fit into 5E, the offerings to date in that direction don't go as far as they would like; and they think that a full-class version would necessarily be able to go farther in that direction.</blockquote>

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