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<blockquote data-quote="Lanliss" data-source="post: 7054642" data-attributes="member: 6801219"><p>I would argue that abilities being able to get dispelled vs. not get dispelled/ended-in-anti-magic-field is a mechanic, not just fluff. I am not personally part of the Warlord argument, just an observer, so this is the best I understand it looking from the outside. </p><p></p><p>If someone is ok with the principle of the Avatar, (gifting actions etc.), then they cannot say it would be overpowered for the Warlord to do that too. However, the Avatar is not what the Warlord fans want, as it may not be immune to things that cancel magic. They want a Charisma powered tactician, using pure martial prowess, not an intelligence powered mind-controller using mind-powers.</p><p></p><p>I think the best way to put it is, the first part you are questioning ("If they are ok with Avatar, they must be ok with Warlord") is not a fluff matter, it is a mechanics matter, unless people are <em>only</em> ok with it because it is fluffed as mind-control. If they are ok with the mechanics existing, they should be ok with them existing in a different package (is the argument as I read it). The second question <em>is</em> fluff, so the first matter has no bearing on it, since they are in different categories.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lanliss, post: 7054642, member: 6801219"] I would argue that abilities being able to get dispelled vs. not get dispelled/ended-in-anti-magic-field is a mechanic, not just fluff. I am not personally part of the Warlord argument, just an observer, so this is the best I understand it looking from the outside. If someone is ok with the principle of the Avatar, (gifting actions etc.), then they cannot say it would be overpowered for the Warlord to do that too. However, the Avatar is not what the Warlord fans want, as it may not be immune to things that cancel magic. They want a Charisma powered tactician, using pure martial prowess, not an intelligence powered mind-controller using mind-powers. I think the best way to put it is, the first part you are questioning ("If they are ok with Avatar, they must be ok with Warlord") is not a fluff matter, it is a mechanics matter, unless people are [I]only[/I] ok with it because it is fluffed as mind-control. If they are ok with the mechanics existing, they should be ok with them existing in a different package (is the argument as I read it). The second question [I]is[/I] fluff, so the first matter has no bearing on it, since they are in different categories. [/QUOTE]
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