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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gradine" data-source="post: 7055210" data-attributes="member: 57112">So, my personal thinking is that the Order of the Avatar Mystic makes the need for Warlord much lower, rather than much greater, which takes me back to my original point waaaay up-thread that I'd rather, again personally, that if WotC is going spend their resources on creating 5e versions of older classes, that they spend those resources on classes that present new mechanics within 5e, rather than mechanics that already exist but with a slightly different coat of paint slapped on. I don't even think the case can be made anymore that the original mechanics of the Warlord exist in 5e but could stand to be expanded on (which is the argument I'd make in requesting, say a real 5e Spellthief or possibly even an Archivist, which I think could be handled as a Wizard archetype); the Order of the Avatar's mantles certainly take care on that front. There are 5e martial characters that have resource management, so "if it's martial it has to be at-will" argument simply holds no water.The best argument for a dedicated 5e Warlord class, at this point, are anti-magic fields. Which amounts to requesting that martial characters be even more versatile and powerful in a rare corner case of the game where every other type of character is effectively already neutered (which is why anti-magic fields are an awful game mechanic 99% of the time and best used extremely sparingly for best effect and therefore are really not worth designing an entire class of character around).Again, I am not anti-Warlord by any stretch (my longest-played 4e character was a Warlord); but I had few problems converting that character to 5e before Order of the Avatar and definitely have no problems doing so now. I wouldn't be upset to seeing a new, fully formed Warlord class show up anytime, but I'd be disappointed that my admittedly more niche pre-5e, more mechanically unique classes weren't getting more love first. Because 5e is has already given so much love to the mechanical underpinnings of the Warlord already, if not to the specific class itself.</blockquote>

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