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What was so bad about the Core 2e rules? Why is it the red-headed stepchild of D&D?
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<blockquote data-quote="MyISPHatesENWorld" data-source="post: 4594201" data-attributes="member: 65684"><p>For starters, 1e books felt like manuals for adventuring. 2e books felt like instructions for a game.</p><p></p><p>A big dislike was the stuff removed, Assassins, Half-Orcs, the three-class Bard, Monk, psionics, everything from Unearthed Arcana, etc. </p><p></p><p>1e wasn't a system in the way people tend to look at RPG systems today, or even the way they were looked at at the time 2e was published. It was a collection of text, rules, charts and tables that enabled simulating going on adventures. </p><p></p><p>2e feels like they put more emphasis on making it look like nice, neat and orderly than making an improvement or expansion of AD&D. Then they removed some things that didn't appeal to some people and added a few bits here and there to spruce it up. But it still wasn't a system, just a collection of text, rules, charts and tables edited for (bland) style over substance,</p><p></p><p>It was like someone trimmed an apple tree into a pretty shape as you would a hedge, then hung some lights on it. It looks nice and some people like that, but you lose a lot of fruit.</p><p></p><p>2e was my least favorite edition of DND. Not counting that Basic, Expert, Cyclopedia stuff, which I consider to be some kind of "Joanie Loves Chachi" spin-off.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MyISPHatesENWorld, post: 4594201, member: 65684"] For starters, 1e books felt like manuals for adventuring. 2e books felt like instructions for a game. A big dislike was the stuff removed, Assassins, Half-Orcs, the three-class Bard, Monk, psionics, everything from Unearthed Arcana, etc. 1e wasn't a system in the way people tend to look at RPG systems today, or even the way they were looked at at the time 2e was published. It was a collection of text, rules, charts and tables that enabled simulating going on adventures. 2e feels like they put more emphasis on making it look like nice, neat and orderly than making an improvement or expansion of AD&D. Then they removed some things that didn't appeal to some people and added a few bits here and there to spruce it up. But it still wasn't a system, just a collection of text, rules, charts and tables edited for (bland) style over substance, It was like someone trimmed an apple tree into a pretty shape as you would a hedge, then hung some lights on it. It looks nice and some people like that, but you lose a lot of fruit. 2e was my least favorite edition of DND. Not counting that Basic, Expert, Cyclopedia stuff, which I consider to be some kind of "Joanie Loves Chachi" spin-off. [/QUOTE]
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