No offense, but no one attempted to systematically wipe PoC off the face of the earth. So, you're right, it's not the same thing.
Dude, I'm not even sure what you are talking about here. But I will say that, as far as things go, slavery is not quite the Holocaust but still pretty up there.
I'm sorry, but I can't accept the argument that everyone who might be offended is either demonstrably offended, or hiding the fact that they are offended. Is it not possible for people to react differently to different things? Why are we painting with such a broad brush?
Do you really think it's a "dumb" thing that some cultures in the Realms practice or practiced slavery, so we should just make it so they don't?
I think the better question is why do you so voraciously defend the continuance of slavery in the Realms when your best argument is that "It was there before, so we should keep it?"
The Red Wizards of Thay, colloquially known as the Red Magic Cult in the Eastern Heartlands, were the notorious and nefarious magocratic ruling class of the inhospitable but well-inhabited country of Thay. Historically they owed their power to being cruel slavers, demonologists, and arcane...
"The Red Wizards of Thay, colloquially known as the Red Magic Cult in the Eastern Heartlands, were the notorious and nefarious magocratic ruling class of the inhospitable but well-inhabited country of Thay. Historically they owed their power to being cruel slavers, demonologists, and arcane experimenters, before most of their numbers wholly dedicated themselves into creating a nation of undeath."
So would the Red Wizard of Thay not be the Red Wizards of Thay if they were no longer slavers? I'll be honest, I've never really mentioned slavery while using them, but maybe I'm missing a crucial element to their backstory that involves slavery? Or are we just adding that in there because, in short hand, it means they are "really, really
In the instant I was talking about, I am quite certain I someone would have said something if they didn't like it (these are people I grew up with who had no problem with dissent, debate or argument over these kinds of issues). But like I said, yes some people will also object to it. That is why it is complicated. You are giving full weight to one opinion within a group but there is a variety there. It isn't monolithic, and I've heard from plenty of people giving all kinds of views on this. So I don't think there is an easy, simple "just don't do X" solution. I also think 'just don't do X' isn't a good idea when you are talking about a hobby where people are being creative with settings, design and ideas. I want publishers and designers to take risks. Lots of the people who you feel would be negatively impact by these risks also want them to take risks and do interesting things. Just to put this in the world of Cinema, I wouldn't want there to not be a Dirty Harry, a Scarface or an Everything, Everywhere All At Once, just because someone might object to the content of those films (for whatever reason). That doesn't mean I am not empathetic (I think if you met me you would find me very empathetic). I just think free expression in creative fields is extremely important. And I also think that can be done in a way where you trust people to be intelligent enough to navigate the optics and get at what is intended with something
I would have said the same things years ago, but things have changed since then and I just wouldn't say that anymore. I think you do not realize how much minorities temper their opinions around some people simply to avoid conflict. Hitting that moment is pretty damn enlightening, I'll be honest.
If you want publishers to take risks, that's fine. But there's a difference between "taking risks" and just "doing things". I'd rather people go out of their way to make well-considered content than just slapping whatever they can at the wall for the sake of drawing a stir. These sorts of discussions miss that people aren't being stopped from doing so, but that they are being critiqued for certain usages. For example, I continue to critique the usage of slavery in the Forgotten Realms and I find the defenses of "But it's always been there" to be rather bad. If you want to broach controversial subjects, you should have better defenses than "I thought it would be cool".
I can tell you this much - I'm certain that the pushback you're getting from posters on this forum, who clearly love the hobby that they spend additional spare time yapping about it with other enthusiasts, care to make anyone and everyone at their table feel welcome. And that they would ask the necessary questions for any new players joining their table.
Are there bad seeds. Yes. Just like there are bad drivers.
I'd venture, and I could be wrong on this - but don't think so, that it's more difficult to tell a DM or player you don't like their playstyle than it is to tell them that you'd prefer x feature be removed from the game.
This is really not a great argument. I think people probably care more about this than you think, but they are willing to put up with it for friends, because people will put up with a lot for friends. I'm well aware I
put up with stuff for people I care about. As it stands, I typically believe people more when they say something is a problem compared to when they say it is isn't for that reason: people are way more likely to be okay with something and avoid conflict because they don't want to lose a friendship over something stupid. That people even comment on it like this tells me that there's teeth to the argument.