What would survive?

Well, tunnels that are lined with wood will eventually burn out or rot, and likely collapse at some point. Concrete lined tunnels I'd expect to survive more or less intact, as well as unlined tunnels bored out of solid rock.

Bridges would probably all be gone.

Modern superhighways and buildings are largely made of reinforced concrete now. I'd expect them to be at least partially intact, though probably broken up pretty well. Future natives might well "quarry" reinforced concrete ruins to get at the high-quality steel rebar and girders inside.

Any cities or towns which have survived are likely to be buried beneath mounds, like ancient cities are. People live there and the accumulation of garbage, crushed bricks, and dust eventually buries the ruins. Of course multistory concrete buildings might still stick out, but you might have a 20 or 30 ft accumulation in places. This could make for an interesting "dungeon" environment as what was formerly street level is now a forgotten sub-basement, and of course sewers and subway tunnels would be even deeper.

Stuff on the coast or in a rainy climate is probably rusted and corroded to almost nothing. Cities are less likely to be buried by dust since it isn't blowing around... but you can have mudslides, volcanic eruptions, floods, and so forth to mess things up. In southwestern California (or other earthquake prone places), stuff is pretty much crumbled and buried. In regions prone to tornadoes, the land is eventually swept clean. The desert, however, probably has a wealth of artifacts, many of which would be preserved by the arid conditions. (Unless you change the climate!) In the desert, sand and dust could also bury entire towns virtually intact, for future discovery. Stuff at the bottom of Death Valley may be there for a very long time indeed.

Anything made of marble, stone, or brick is likely to survive for a very long time, unless "quarried" by locals.

Anything made of plastic will be around for tens of thousands of years. So there'll be plenty of fast food trays, barbie dolls, motorcycle helmets, souvenier elvises, ballpoint pens, automobile dashboards, laptop computer cases, plastic recycle bins, AOL CDs... Ditto for ceramics, like dinnerware, tile, Precious Moments figurines...

Some railroad cars are now made out of fiberglas, not to mention boats. I'll bet they'll last quite a while, along with vinyl siding, tile roofing.

Of course a lot of it will be in the dump, or buried, but I'd expect it to be common enough that people give them to kids as toys or make tools or decorations out of them. Also, any metal that is encased in plastic or ceramic would not corrode. There may be high quality mirrors to be found if you know where to look, not to mention optical components like lenses and prisms.

Speaking of garbage dumps, these are tailor-made for preserving a huge variety of plastic and ceramic stuff. All nicely buried and sealed, ready for future barbarians to discover and dig it all back up.

I'd imagine all the satellites would have crashed and burned by then, but you could maybe have just one that still orbits, appearing as a fast moving star.

I don't know. I think it's going to take a LONG time to erase the traces of our civilization, just because we produce so MUCH. And the tackiest, most annoying stuff is made of long-lasting plastic...

In terms of *useful* artifacts, how about composite hunting bows and crossbows made of plastic and aluminum? Ceramic knives and guns.

In the toy store the other day I saw a flashlight with a built-in generator (a van de graf generator I think), that was activated by squeezing the handle repeatedly. It never needs batteries and comes with spare bulbs. And sealed in its plastic packaging, it'll still be as good as new 10,000 years from now!

A solar-cell calculator, sealed in plastic packaging? Or how about an entire computer, sealed in plastic and protected from moisture by those little silicon packets? You need to find a solar cell to run it... or maybe a "just add water" storage battery or fuel cell.

A sealed plastic bottle with aspirin, antibiotics, or some other drug?

A package of twinkies?
 

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Have you read Motel of the Mysteries by David Macaulay? It deals with this very issue. Here's a blurb from the publisher about it.

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It is the year 4022; all of the ancient country of Usa has been buried under many feet of detritus from a catastrophe that occurred back in 1985. Imagine, then, the excitement that Howard Carson, an amateur archeologist at best, experienced when in crossing the perimeter of an abandoned excavation site he felt the ground give way beneath him and found himself at the bottom of a shaft, which, judging from the DO NOT DISTURB sign hanging from an archaic doorknob, was clearly the entrance to a still-sealed burial chamber. Carson's incredible discoveries, including the remains of two bodies, one of then on a ceremonial bed facing an altar that appeared to be a means of communicating with the Gods and the other lying in a porcelain sarcophagus in the Inner Chamber, permitted him to piece together the whole fabric of that extraordinary civilization.
 

It is pretty amazing to look at the excavated foundation of the World Trade Center site... and realize that the foundation of those go evenn deeper than that.

Some buildings (especially historical ones) have been / are getting reinforced with titanium, which when exposed to air gets a protective oxide coating that is nearly impossible to corrode.

Most corrosion in-city is actually a result of the city's pollution itself, remove the causes of decay and they will last a very, very long time. Similar deal with the roads, if nothing drives on them and flexes them as such, the only wear and tear factor is the weather.

And, of course we have nuclear waste deposite sites.

Most electronics depends on various chemicals that decay over time, I don't think a 10,000-year old electric calculator would still work. I know a modern computer wouldn't.
 

Some cities would probably remain, and even survive, well until the period you suggest. They may be shadows of their former selves so to say, but places like Chicago would still be around since the great lake's water level would not rise. Interesting though, many places that rely on water delivery, like Vegas, would diminish greatly. Things that would survive artifact wise would be nuclear pollution ("you find a warm rod deep within the ground...") and material, plasitic anything, diapers, stuff like that.
 

For another interesting read about post-apoc times....

Another really good read about post-apocalyptic times is "A Canticle for Leibowitz" by Walter M. Miller Jr. It takes a great look at what would happen to society after an apocaplypse (in this case nuclear war). It covers a huge amount of time, so you can see how the society progresses, what "legends" are made, etc.
 

Well we know in Battlefield Earth Harrier Jump jets survived for a few thousand years and are in perfect working order.

I think roads would survive, they may go nowhere and the new civilization might see them as something entirely different.

Plastics and stuff. Maybe these new people find plastic artifacts all over the place. They don't understand how they are made but some are almost indestructible. Strange sheriod shaped objects with strange Arcane writings on each side. Are these for speaking to the gods.

Thats all I can think of for now. Getting late, must get up early to see Two Towers
 

I know it is not what you asked, but if you want to give the normal wildlife a change too I would suggest After Man: A Zoology of the Future by Dougal Dixon. A really great book on how animals could evolve after mankind is gone. But could easily be used to make an earth feel different yet not alien.
 

Barcode said:

So, if mankind were suddenly plunged into a dark age, and left that way for say, five or ten thousand years, what would remain in North America (or indeed the world in general) of the current state of civilization?

Going by most pulp post-apocalyptic settings, enough spraypaint cans to coat every standing building with graffiti.
 

Re: For another interesting read about post-apoc times....

Shadow64 said:
Another really good read about post-apocalyptic times is "A Canticle for Leibowitz" by Walter M. Miller Jr. It takes a great look at what would happen to society after an apocaplypse (in this case nuclear war). It covers a huge amount of time, so you can see how the society progresses, what "legends" are made, etc.

Barcode- I highly recommend this as almost exactly what you want to read based on your description. It's an older book, Miller being one of the early Sci-Fi writers, and it's a quick read, too. The main focus of the book is on how language and knowledge are preserved over many centuries, long after an apocalypse, and what bits are rediscovered and misinterpreted. The story follows one individual, then leaps forward in time, several times, to other individuals. It's quite interesting both on its own and as an example of how early Sci-Fi can maintain some longevity when it focuses more on ideas than technology.

As to the rest, I think it was best mentioned above that things would get scavenged and recycled. Because of this, I think you would be safe deciding which bits you want to have survive, decide how they would, and have all other stuff picked clean if they would have otherwise made it through time intact. Imagine the earliest dwarves of your world mining away all of the remnants of the once great cities. Imagine early cults determing that plastic is evil and destoying it all in acid baths until there was nothing left and the cults dispersed some era prior to your campaign beginning. Any other pieces of technology you did not want to exist in your campaign can always have found itself disused, dismantled and destroyed (purposefully or accidentally), so choose what things you want to keep, and discard the rest (IMO)...
 

Jolly Giant said:
The pyramids in Egypt are well over 3000 years. They're hardly eroded at all.

The Colosseum in Rome has remained relatively intact for more than 2000 years. It's made from some very primitive form of concrete, reinforced with straw!
The pyramids are made in stone, and the supporting structures of the colosseum are in tough limestone as well (besides, remember that for any ancient building standing, there are a dozen which crumbled - even discounting those which were dismantled for construction materials). Stone does last thousands of years. For the pyramids, the shape helps too (a pyramid is about the most stable building possible; a quake which would raze another building of the same age made with the same materials would hardly affect a pyramid). Now, different types of concrete have very different properties, but there are many modern buildings which show signs of erosion as early as 50 years after construction. The success of concrete is because it's cheap, not because it's tough. I'm sure that concrete has improved a lot in recent times, but I doubt its durability is anywhere close to stone. In any case, 10000 years aren't 3000; I am fairly sure that nothing except large monuments built to last forever or items in very sheltered locations would still be recognizable.
 

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