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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Veltharis ap Rylix" data-source="post: 9382460" data-attributes="member: 66357">Circling back to this, think of it this way: just because two people a both good, that does not necessarily mean they are both on the same side.Archons are good, but just as importantly they are also lawful. They want to impose order - a righteous and benevolent order, to be sure, but order nonetheless. So imagine a king, a good and righteous one, given a holy mandate to forge a continent-spanning empire and backed by a faction of archons to help him achieve that end, perhaps in preparation for some prophesized event centuries down the line in which said empire will be needed. The PCs live in a neighboring region that wishes to remain its own sovereign nation. The king is quite willing to negotiate very generous terms, but ultimately can/will not back down on annexing the region into his growing empire. Thus, war becomes inevitable.On a grander, more planar level, the upper planes once made a committed push to end the Blood War eons ago, and it went horribly for them - the demons, devils, and yugoloths called a brief ceasefire, teamed up to absolutely decimate the celestial armies and force them to retreat back to the upper planes, then immediately went back to fighting each other like nothing had happened. While the guardinals and eladrin still make the occasional raid into the lower planes, usually as much smaller hunting parties, the archons have essentially spent the ages since preparing for the day when the Blood War comes to an end, when the lower planes are united at last and turn their fury against the rest of the multiverse. Celestia is now a planar fortress, with the armies of the Seven Heavens massing and training in preparation for a literally apocalyptic siege. Meanwhile, certain factions within the archons attempt to keep the Blood War going, selling celestial-made weaponry (through intermediaries) to both demons and devils in the hopes of keeping them killing one another for as long as possible.On the other side of the proverbial spectrum, celestial eladrin (assuming they still exist) are good, but very much chaotic, so they work to tear down systems and hierarchies that they see as impeding people's freedoms, and that could very easily lead them to destabilizing governments and organizations that, while good, are too rigid and structured for their tastes, in the hopes of promoting freedom.Angels are the servants of gods, so all you really need to do there is pit the will of the god they happen to serve against the interests of the PCs.I'm not sure how much has been written about empyreans in 5e, but I believe they are more or less the equivalent of 3e/3.5e era titans, which (if memory serves) essentially makes them Greco-Roman style epic heroes and demigods. They show up on some epic quest to prove themselves, and whatever it is they seek puts them in conflict with the PCs.For sphinxes, just go back to the classic - they will grant a boon if you answer their riddle, but fail and your life is forfeit.Guardinals is a bit more difficult, but even they have things that are off limits - Belierin, the entire third layer of Elysium, is basically a giant planar prison for things the guardinals consider to dangerous to roam the multiverse.So, yeah, there are ways to create conflict, even with nominally "good" foes, I'd say.</blockquote>

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