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What would you say is the biggest problem with Wizards, Clerics, Druids, and other "Tier 1" Spellcasters?
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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6074085" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>You mean, a bear swimming would be out of character for a bear? Really? </p><p></p><p>Never mind that the druid can actually TALK DIRECTLY to the bear and explain to him/her what's going on and what's needed - drop a Speak with Animals. Oh, and as soon as the Druid can breathe water, so can the bear, thanks to Share Spells. Same goes for that Endure Elements. </p><p></p><p>Of course, if we have a Polar Bear, it actually has a swim score as well. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>But, I think bill91 pretty much paints the picture of what I'm talking about. Getting a bear to swim, in my mind, should not be a terribly difficult thing to do. Bears swim all the time - they can swim for miles, and quite often do, island hopping in search of food. But, Bill91 is convinced that bears would never swim. Or at least, would never dive. </p><p></p><p>Now, we find ourselves at an imp arse. The DM has dug in his heels and decided that his view of reality is going to trump anything. And the player is screwed. Note, the only reason this comes up in the first place is because the DM wants to take away the player's class ability without simply coming out and saying, "no, you can't have that". It's passive/aggressive DMing. He's not denying the player anything, but simply managing the situation until the player cannot use whatever it is the DM doesn't want used.</p><p></p><p>I've run into this far, far too many times. I'd ten thousand times more accept the DM simply ponying up and telling me that I can't have X instead of letting me have X and then using the in game "realism" argument to deny me from whatever it is that's problematic. Fix the problem before it's a problem and then you never run into this.</p><p></p><p>------------</p><p></p><p>Rolling this back around to casters, that's why I look at something like the Shadowcaster from the 3e Tome of Magic as a very good template for a Vancian style caster. Tons and tons of flavor. Very specific spell list where you can either go broad for less specific power or go deep for lots of power but less flexibility. IMO, the best caster to come out of 3e.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6074085, member: 22779"] You mean, a bear swimming would be out of character for a bear? Really? Never mind that the druid can actually TALK DIRECTLY to the bear and explain to him/her what's going on and what's needed - drop a Speak with Animals. Oh, and as soon as the Druid can breathe water, so can the bear, thanks to Share Spells. Same goes for that Endure Elements. Of course, if we have a Polar Bear, it actually has a swim score as well. :D But, I think bill91 pretty much paints the picture of what I'm talking about. Getting a bear to swim, in my mind, should not be a terribly difficult thing to do. Bears swim all the time - they can swim for miles, and quite often do, island hopping in search of food. But, Bill91 is convinced that bears would never swim. Or at least, would never dive. Now, we find ourselves at an imp arse. The DM has dug in his heels and decided that his view of reality is going to trump anything. And the player is screwed. Note, the only reason this comes up in the first place is because the DM wants to take away the player's class ability without simply coming out and saying, "no, you can't have that". It's passive/aggressive DMing. He's not denying the player anything, but simply managing the situation until the player cannot use whatever it is the DM doesn't want used. I've run into this far, far too many times. I'd ten thousand times more accept the DM simply ponying up and telling me that I can't have X instead of letting me have X and then using the in game "realism" argument to deny me from whatever it is that's problematic. Fix the problem before it's a problem and then you never run into this. ------------ Rolling this back around to casters, that's why I look at something like the Shadowcaster from the 3e Tome of Magic as a very good template for a Vancian style caster. Tons and tons of flavor. Very specific spell list where you can either go broad for less specific power or go deep for lots of power but less flexibility. IMO, the best caster to come out of 3e. [/QUOTE]
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