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<blockquote data-quote="Ahnehnois" data-source="post: 6074991" data-attributes="member: 17106">That's fair.This topic is really about player-oriented rules; the magical classes. Your perspective also incorporates a broader paradigm that includes DM rules and guidelines; XP, rewards, encounter design, campaign design, etc. Those are the &quot;incentives&quot;. And indeed, in D&amp;D (some versions surely more than others), those mechanical incentives don't mesh with the fictional characters. I guess I just never used those rules.My approach is to build a game around the players and their characters, and certain stylistic choices that I make. The goals, the rewards, and the challenges before them, are all to some extent functions of the players' capabilities. Thus, my incentives do (I hope) encourage the players to play well but not trash the world in the process. If I used a published adventure, or if I built encounters using challenge rating, handed out experience based on the tables, and matched the treasure guidelines in the process, I'd likely have very different experiences.So my assumption here is that those DM rules don't really count; they're &quot;soft rules&quot; that many people modify or ignore. I don't really consider them much in this context. But if you're saying they incentivize the players to abuse their side of the rules, I don't disagree.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ahnehnois, post: 6074991, member: 17106"] That's fair. This topic is really about player-oriented rules; the magical classes. Your perspective also incorporates a broader paradigm that includes DM rules and guidelines; XP, rewards, encounter design, campaign design, etc. Those are the "incentives". And indeed, in D&D (some versions surely more than others), those mechanical incentives don't mesh with the fictional characters. I guess I just never used those rules. My approach is to build a game around the players and their characters, and certain stylistic choices that I make. The goals, the rewards, and the challenges before them, are all to some extent functions of the players' capabilities. Thus, my incentives do (I hope) encourage the players to play well but not trash the world in the process. If I used a published adventure, or if I built encounters using challenge rating, handed out experience based on the tables, and matched the treasure guidelines in the process, I'd likely have very different experiences. So my assumption here is that those DM rules don't really count; they're "soft rules" that many people modify or ignore. I don't really consider them much in this context. But if you're saying they incentivize the players to abuse their side of the rules, I don't disagree. [/QUOTE]

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