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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6075050" data-attributes="member: 22779">Well, considering that this is an issue that has been addressed since AD&amp;D, I'd say that the refusal to recognize the issue is a bit much.&nbsp; Note, I did say about.&nbsp; I'd also point out that you're making my point in that the wizard needs LESS funds than the fighter.Sigh.&nbsp; Do we really have to go through this?&nbsp; For one, why is the wizard not creating his own scrolls, considering HE HAS THE FEAT already?&nbsp; So that's 12.5 gp/75 gp/187.5 gp for each scroll.&nbsp; Also note, if you read the post, I said one hundred, not hundreds.&nbsp; So, 50x1st level spells=625 gp, 30x2nd level=2250 gp and 20x3rd=3000 gp.&nbsp; Ok, so, my total here is 5875 gp.&nbsp; So, 30% of my character wealth.&nbsp; To have enough scrolls of utility stuff that I'll pretty much never run out.&nbsp; Heck, even if I pay full market price, I'm still only spending about 2/3 of my expected wealth.This is only a 7th level character.&nbsp; We're talking the price equivalent of a +2 suit of armor and a +1 weapon.&nbsp; To have enough scrolls that I'm pretty much never going to run out.&nbsp; And, let's not forget, I've still got 2/3rds of my wealth left.Like I said, it's pretty clear that people have never really faced a competently played caster in their games.&nbsp; Good grief, EVERY SINGLE EDITION has tried to fix this problem.&nbsp; Looking all the way back at AD&amp;D, you have high level modules that beat casters bloody with a nerf bat to try to be able to have high level modules where the casters don't completely dominate the game.&nbsp; We have two ENTIRE EDITIONS (Pathfinder and 4e) which make massive changes to the d20 ruleset in order to try to bridge the disparity.Do people really think both Paizo and WOTC are so stupid that they are inventing problems where none exist?&nbsp; If this problem didn't exist, how do you explain the changes made by both systems?After all this time, why do we STILL have to jump through these hoops to try to get people to admit that these problems actually do exist and that they are systemic issues?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6075050, member: 22779"] Well, considering that this is an issue that has been addressed since AD&D, I'd say that the refusal to recognize the issue is a bit much. Note, I did say about. I'd also point out that you're making my point in that the wizard needs LESS funds than the fighter. Sigh. Do we really have to go through this? For one, why is the wizard not creating his own scrolls, considering HE HAS THE FEAT already? So that's 12.5 gp/75 gp/187.5 gp for each scroll. Also note, if you read the post, I said one hundred, not hundreds. So, 50x1st level spells=625 gp, 30x2nd level=2250 gp and 20x3rd=3000 gp. Ok, so, my total here is 5875 gp. So, 30% of my character wealth. To have enough scrolls of utility stuff that I'll pretty much never run out. Heck, even if I pay full market price, I'm still only spending about 2/3 of my expected wealth. This is only a 7th level character. We're talking the price equivalent of a +2 suit of armor and a +1 weapon. To have enough scrolls that I'm pretty much never going to run out. And, let's not forget, I've still got 2/3rds of my wealth left. Like I said, it's pretty clear that people have never really faced a competently played caster in their games. Good grief, EVERY SINGLE EDITION has tried to fix this problem. Looking all the way back at AD&D, you have high level modules that beat casters bloody with a nerf bat to try to be able to have high level modules where the casters don't completely dominate the game. We have two ENTIRE EDITIONS (Pathfinder and 4e) which make massive changes to the d20 ruleset in order to try to bridge the disparity. Do people really think both Paizo and WOTC are so stupid that they are inventing problems where none exist? If this problem didn't exist, how do you explain the changes made by both systems? After all this time, why do we STILL have to jump through these hoops to try to get people to admit that these problems actually do exist and that they are systemic issues? [/QUOTE]

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