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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6077033" data-attributes="member: 87792">On the &quot;Wizard is restricted to just the spells they automatically get&quot; issue, this goes a long way to reducing the wizard towards the power of a sorceror (a Tier 2 rather than Tier 1 class).&nbsp; The wizard is, of course, still the more powerful of the two (substantially so every odd numbered level excluding levels 1 and 19 and they have a far greater mastery of their top level spells even if less depth every even numbered level before level 20 as a sorceror on an even numbered level (excl. 2 and 20) will know 1 top level spell and 2 second highest level spell).&nbsp; A specialist Conjurer, Transmuter, or possibly Illusionist or Enchanter is a very powerful tier 2 caster even at the 4 spells/level restriction, whereas a generalist might possibly push tier 1 but overall is unlikely to be as effective as the conjurer or transmuter.&nbsp; (Illusionists and Enchanters are target-sensitive).&nbsp; The cleric, also, is probably Tier 2 if you restrict to core only.One of many things 3.5 did right. Although summoning 8 formian workers to cast Cure Serious Wounds is getting pretty desperate.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 6077033, member: 87792"] On the "Wizard is restricted to just the spells they automatically get" issue, this goes a long way to reducing the wizard towards the power of a sorceror (a Tier 2 rather than Tier 1 class). The wizard is, of course, still the more powerful of the two (substantially so every odd numbered level excluding levels 1 and 19 and they have a far greater mastery of their top level spells even if less depth every even numbered level before level 20 as a sorceror on an even numbered level (excl. 2 and 20) will know 1 top level spell and 2 second highest level spell). A specialist Conjurer, Transmuter, or possibly Illusionist or Enchanter is a very powerful tier 2 caster even at the 4 spells/level restriction, whereas a generalist might possibly push tier 1 but overall is unlikely to be as effective as the conjurer or transmuter. (Illusionists and Enchanters are target-sensitive). The cleric, also, is probably Tier 2 if you restrict to core only. One of many things 3.5 did [I]right[/I]. Although summoning 8 formian workers to cast Cure Serious Wounds is getting pretty desperate. [/QUOTE]

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