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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elf Witch" data-source="post: 6077872" data-attributes="member: 9037">I am sorry but I find this hard to believe. Way back when I was playing the older editions I saw munchkins break the game. Back when the internet was in its infancy there was plenty of talk on the Genie boards about how to deal with munchkins that term has been around longer than 3E. It has always been an issue. Do I think it got worse in 3E yes I do because 3E opened up so many choices. But I happen to like that it is why it is my favorite edition because of the choices available. If the trade off for that is having to deal with over the top munchkins then that is a trade off I am willing to make.    No not a true optimizer a munchkin looks at the game that way. Not every one who likes to optimize their PC does so by playing a tier 1 class. One of my players loves monks and he optimizes the daylights out of it and in the end comes out with a powerful character that does everything he wants. I have seen the powergamers in my game make some pretty strong characters out of lower tiers. They play a druid when they want to play a magical woodmen if they don't want the magic then they play a ranger. First they pick what they are in the mood for then they go to town optimizing it.Optimizing should not mean only playing the strongest classes but building any class to be the best it can be and that is how they chose to play the game.</blockquote>