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<blockquote data-quote="NotZenon" data-source="post: 6786066" data-attributes="member: 85907">exceptional strength is one thing i actually really liked about the earlier editions, and mostly just because, to me it made sense to me.as someone who formerly competed in the &quot;sport&quot; of &quot;power-lifting&quot;&nbsp; (not very successfully i might add).&nbsp;&nbsp; The difference in strength between truly strong people and &quot;just some strong guy&quot;&nbsp; almost seem exponential. Your average guy who doesn't work out, and walks in off the street, will usually struggle to deadlift their own body weight (150-200lbs) if they can at all.&nbsp;&nbsp; Another guy who is considered &quot;the strongest guy i know&quot;&nbsp; by all his friends (maybe worked a tough physical labour job for years) might walk into a gym and deadlift double his bodyweight (MAYBE) say 300-350lbs (and this honestly is extremely rare for someone who doesn't train).&nbsp; On the other hand, the world record for a drug tested deadlift is over 1000lbs.&nbsp; In the tire deadlift (slightly easier than a regular deadlift for reasons i don't want to explain here)&nbsp; the record is approaching 1200lbs.&nbsp; The point i'm making is that the people at the top end of the strength scale really are in another class.&nbsp; More than 1 in 216 kind of strength (the odds of rolling 18 on 3d6 i believe). Infact probably more than 1 in 21600 kind of strength (odds of rolling 18/00).&nbsp; But the characters are hero's so i'm willing to give them a 1 in 21600 chance of being one of the strongest people to ever live.&nbsp; On the other hand someone who has a &quot;regular&quot; 18 strength is probably the strongest guy you know,&nbsp; but there are probably 10 or 20 people in a small town just as strong as him.*On the other hand as a game play mechanic,&nbsp; it doesn't make any sense at all to reward the people who already have the best rolls.*But I guess all i am saying is I get where Mr. Gygax was coming from.&nbsp; i wonder though why he didn't do a similar mechanic with the other stats.&nbsp; I mean smart people are a dime a dozen, even genius's we've all probably met a few in our life,&nbsp; but true genius is another story.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="NotZenon, post: 6786066, member: 85907"] exceptional strength is one thing i actually really liked about the earlier editions, and mostly just because, to me it made sense to me. as someone who formerly competed in the "sport" of "power-lifting" (not very successfully i might add). The difference in strength between truly strong people and "just some strong guy" almost seem exponential. Your average guy who doesn't work out, and walks in off the street, will usually struggle to deadlift their own body weight (150-200lbs) if they can at all. Another guy who is considered "the strongest guy i know" by all his friends (maybe worked a tough physical labour job for years) might walk into a gym and deadlift double his bodyweight (MAYBE) say 300-350lbs (and this honestly is extremely rare for someone who doesn't train). On the other hand, the world record for a drug tested deadlift is over 1000lbs. In the tire deadlift (slightly easier than a regular deadlift for reasons i don't want to explain here) the record is approaching 1200lbs. The point i'm making is that the people at the top end of the strength scale really are in another class. More than 1 in 216 kind of strength (the odds of rolling 18 on 3d6 i believe). Infact probably more than 1 in 21600 kind of strength (odds of rolling 18/00). But the characters are hero's so i'm willing to give them a 1 in 21600 chance of being one of the strongest people to ever live. On the other hand someone who has a "regular" 18 strength is probably the strongest guy you know, but there are probably 10 or 20 people in a small town just as strong as him. *On the other hand as a game play mechanic, it doesn't make any sense at all to reward the people who already have the best rolls.* But I guess all i am saying is I get where Mr. Gygax was coming from. i wonder though why he didn't do a similar mechanic with the other stats. I mean smart people are a dime a dozen, even genius's we've all probably met a few in our life, but true genius is another story. [/QUOTE]

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