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<blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 6219373" data-attributes="member: 4348"><p>It depends on what you want. OF course you want the core rulebook, I'd also say the Bestiary. Other than that I'd say the Bestiary 2, Bestiary 3, and Bestiary 4 (afterall, everyone wants more monsters...right?).</p><p></p><p>Personally, as an older gamer, hate the idea of all these people playing evil races (some like playing evil races and call the races good and pretend the goblins, orcs, and gnolls are all humans in different forms...not my type of game) so I tend to AVOID the Advanced Race Guide.</p><p></p><p>I got Ultimate Combat and Ultimate Magic for one reason only, because of the Oriental/Asian slant of the classes in those books (they have the Ninja, Samurai, and the Magus...which has a form of the Kensai as a Magus). It does create a more heavy rules arena in some ways, so if you want to avoid that, these are other books to avoid.</p><p></p><p>I actually liked the Advanced Players guide, but that has some hit and miss with it in regards to classes, so depending on your slant, you may want to avoid that one as well.</p><p></p><p>If you like to have all sorts of stuff, Ultimate Equipment can be a good book, and if you want to create quick NPC's or have ideas in that regard, the NPC Codex can also be good.</p><p></p><p>Many don't like epic, and though it's not epic, it's similar...if you LIKE HIGH POWERED WAZOO campaigns where you finally are powerful enough to fight ultrahigh Demons and such...Mythic Adventures may be something for you to pick up. I picked it up. However, if you don't like that type of stuff, it's another one to chock up to avoid.</p><p></p><p>Ultimate Gamemastery is good in general for DM/GM advice and overall a good book.</p><p></p><p>So, if you have money to burn beyond the corebook, I'd say some of the Bestiaries (of course), and Ultimate Gamemastery. If you have more money after that I'd probably say Ultimate equipment because it has some really good ideas in there...and maybe...just maybe, the NPC codex.</p><p></p><p>PS: Then again, if you are using the PRD...not tons that you need to buy as you can also look it up on line. I'd say the big things remain with it that were with 3.5 in some ways...Munchkins/Powergamers may want to munchkin. Reasonable groups and DM's can normally either quell these folks, or kick them out if they are overly obnoxious. </p><p></p><p> At higher levels, if you don't have a spellcaster, there are some scenarios where you can get squashed. Monks are very effective Mage Killers, and can be a secondary roguetype (but still not close to being as effective as a full rogue typically), but otherwise, in combat...well...you probably want them as the Mage Killer but not as the cleric, Druid, or Fighter killer as they aren't so great at that. </p><p></p><p>Some people have serious grief with Summoners (as you mentioned), alchemists, and gunslingers. These are found in the Advanced Players guide. Don't like them...simply don't allow that book, or don't allow them as optional classes.</p><p></p><p>Melee types can also get outgunned at higher levels (normally not as badly as the Monk...though the MONK rules fighting Wizards overall). </p><p></p><p>Hope that helps some.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://paizo.com/products/btpy8ffn?Pathfinder-Roleplaying-Game-GameMastery-Guide" target="_blank">http://paizo.com/products/btpy8ffn?Pathfinder-Roleplaying-Game-GameMastery-Guide</a></p><p>Edit: I gave the wrong name for the Gamemastery Guide. It's not Ultimate Gamemastery, it's the Gamemastery Guide.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GreyLord, post: 6219373, member: 4348"] It depends on what you want. OF course you want the core rulebook, I'd also say the Bestiary. Other than that I'd say the Bestiary 2, Bestiary 3, and Bestiary 4 (afterall, everyone wants more monsters...right?). Personally, as an older gamer, hate the idea of all these people playing evil races (some like playing evil races and call the races good and pretend the goblins, orcs, and gnolls are all humans in different forms...not my type of game) so I tend to AVOID the Advanced Race Guide. I got Ultimate Combat and Ultimate Magic for one reason only, because of the Oriental/Asian slant of the classes in those books (they have the Ninja, Samurai, and the Magus...which has a form of the Kensai as a Magus). It does create a more heavy rules arena in some ways, so if you want to avoid that, these are other books to avoid. I actually liked the Advanced Players guide, but that has some hit and miss with it in regards to classes, so depending on your slant, you may want to avoid that one as well. If you like to have all sorts of stuff, Ultimate Equipment can be a good book, and if you want to create quick NPC's or have ideas in that regard, the NPC Codex can also be good. Many don't like epic, and though it's not epic, it's similar...if you LIKE HIGH POWERED WAZOO campaigns where you finally are powerful enough to fight ultrahigh Demons and such...Mythic Adventures may be something for you to pick up. I picked it up. However, if you don't like that type of stuff, it's another one to chock up to avoid. Ultimate Gamemastery is good in general for DM/GM advice and overall a good book. So, if you have money to burn beyond the corebook, I'd say some of the Bestiaries (of course), and Ultimate Gamemastery. If you have more money after that I'd probably say Ultimate equipment because it has some really good ideas in there...and maybe...just maybe, the NPC codex. PS: Then again, if you are using the PRD...not tons that you need to buy as you can also look it up on line. I'd say the big things remain with it that were with 3.5 in some ways...Munchkins/Powergamers may want to munchkin. Reasonable groups and DM's can normally either quell these folks, or kick them out if they are overly obnoxious. At higher levels, if you don't have a spellcaster, there are some scenarios where you can get squashed. Monks are very effective Mage Killers, and can be a secondary roguetype (but still not close to being as effective as a full rogue typically), but otherwise, in combat...well...you probably want them as the Mage Killer but not as the cleric, Druid, or Fighter killer as they aren't so great at that. Some people have serious grief with Summoners (as you mentioned), alchemists, and gunslingers. These are found in the Advanced Players guide. Don't like them...simply don't allow that book, or don't allow them as optional classes. Melee types can also get outgunned at higher levels (normally not as badly as the Monk...though the MONK rules fighting Wizards overall). Hope that helps some. [url]http://paizo.com/products/btpy8ffn?Pathfinder-Roleplaying-Game-GameMastery-Guide[/url] Edit: I gave the wrong name for the Gamemastery Guide. It's not Ultimate Gamemastery, it's the Gamemastery Guide. [/QUOTE]
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