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What's not going to cost discipline points for the Monk to do now?
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<blockquote data-quote="strawbellebelle" data-source="post: 9164415" data-attributes="member: 7043248"><p>So aside from medium armour capping out at 15+2 as opposed to 20 for Unarmoured Defense, here's the problem with your math (aside from the minor error of assuming the Level 1 Monk uses two unarmed strikes as opposed to a versatile d8 weapon + unarmed strike: You give the Barbarian their Strength bonus on their extra attack from two-weapon fighting, except that doesn't apply without the specific weapon style.</p><p></p><p>Thus, accurate numbers with said formula drops each result of the Barbarian's damage in your results by their ability modifier (as well as slightly upping the Level 1 Monk to 14). Which results in Monk equating or surpassing Barbarian by your own model.</p><p></p><p>And Barbarian does have Reckless Attack, yes, but Barbarian also doesn't always have Rage. Much like a Monk can increase their per-turn damage via FoB...gee, it's like D&D is (or rather, <em>should</em> be) actually too complicated for theorycrafting models to accurately detail the effects of various features?</p><p></p><p></p><p>The Monk's mechanism for damage scaling at later levels <em>is</em> Discipline/Ki Points—having more points allows them more uses of Flurry of Blows and other damage-boosting subclass features. Level 11 is also a level that damage-oriented Monk subclasses get features that augment their damage-dealing capabilities—Astral Self gets an extra MA die once per turn, Ascendant Dragon gets their Breath of the Dragon damage increased to three MA dice, Mercy gets a free usage of Hands of Harm with every Flurry of Blows, for examples, and all three of these classes having more points lets them use the relevant features more often.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="strawbellebelle, post: 9164415, member: 7043248"] So aside from medium armour capping out at 15+2 as opposed to 20 for Unarmoured Defense, here's the problem with your math (aside from the minor error of assuming the Level 1 Monk uses two unarmed strikes as opposed to a versatile d8 weapon + unarmed strike: You give the Barbarian their Strength bonus on their extra attack from two-weapon fighting, except that doesn't apply without the specific weapon style. Thus, accurate numbers with said formula drops each result of the Barbarian's damage in your results by their ability modifier (as well as slightly upping the Level 1 Monk to 14). Which results in Monk equating or surpassing Barbarian by your own model. And Barbarian does have Reckless Attack, yes, but Barbarian also doesn't always have Rage. Much like a Monk can increase their per-turn damage via FoB...gee, it's like D&D is (or rather, [I]should[/I] be) actually too complicated for theorycrafting models to accurately detail the effects of various features? The Monk's mechanism for damage scaling at later levels [I]is[/I] Discipline/Ki Points—having more points allows them more uses of Flurry of Blows and other damage-boosting subclass features. Level 11 is also a level that damage-oriented Monk subclasses get features that augment their damage-dealing capabilities—Astral Self gets an extra MA die once per turn, Ascendant Dragon gets their Breath of the Dragon damage increased to three MA dice, Mercy gets a free usage of Hands of Harm with every Flurry of Blows, for examples, and all three of these classes having more points lets them use the relevant features more often. [/QUOTE]
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