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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Clint_L" data-source="post: 9168262" data-attributes="member: 7035894">I do play a monk, currently. And I mostly DM, and have for more than four decades. I have seen just about every party composition. The 5e monk is the least essential class in the game, and it isn't close. "Support/crowd control" is the role they typically get because they aren't needed for any of the essential roles, and it is also a role that doesn't come up in every battle. And it's a role that other classes can do as well or better. And I play a Mercy monk, which is the only monk subclass that is remotely competitive.They do mediocre damage, have low survivability, and don't have a clearly defined or important niche. There's a reason that they are ranked at or near the bottom in pretty much every 5e tier ranking: the consensus is that they are weak. Now maybe all those folks are wrong and the small minority who disagree with the consensus, and with the math, are right. Odds are against it, but you never know. However, it wouldn't matter because this rules update is about fixing the obvious problems in 5e, and the current monk is clearly an obvious problem for the majority. So it is getting revamped.</blockquote>