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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ashockney" data-source="post: 1829573" data-attributes="member: 1363">Good point Psion.  I didn't intend to imply that my list was what a comprehensive summary of all the problems identified.  Instead, I hoped to point out that many of the problems seem very similiar (including your own - prep time, speeding high level play).  In addition, those problems are also problems I was trying to tackle...as illustrated by my list.  I couldn't agree more that they did a real nice job making all the classes more playable in the core rules.  If you try and set foot outside of them, it becomes a problem fast, in my opinion.  I'd throw this question out to anyone who plays a traditional D&D campaign (mostly combat to earn xp), and use more books than the core rules:  anyone in your campaign play a bard recently?  How about a fighter - straight up?  Hmmm... Curious.The reason I chose to tackle the items on this list together is to because of the synergy I found when trying to playtest solutions to some of them.  Good fixes to one, had a positive carryover effect to the others. A couple of examples:  get rid of polymorph, get rid of books of stat buffs, simplify the morale, size, competence, luck, insight, and size bonuses and buffs.Speeding up high level play, two words: use averages.I'm definitely with those who indicate that PC's 5 hour combat was way, way too long.  I'm lucky to game for about 6 hours total a month.  Spending 5 hours on one combat would result in a campaign that would take roughly 20 years to run.  This would not meet my players expectations. We've run our fair share of 5 hour combats in 3rd Edition, and in some we've had players fall asleep when waiting 45 minutes between turns.  Not a shot on those who love that kind of game, and find it rewarding.  Our group's not one of those.  Our combats seem to flow well lasting 4 - 7 rounds, and taking no more than 30 min IRL.</blockquote>

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