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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 6844770" data-attributes="member: 177">No.And, please don't tell me what I want.  *ASK* what I want.  Because the internet is a truly pathetic medium for telepathy.  And, because telling me what I want is *rude*: in doing this you have set your own mind on a course, and possibly the minds of others, and now it will take extra effort on my part to disabuse you of your mistaken notion.  And, even if I take that action, you are still likely to stick to your original appraisal, despite any and all evidence in the contrary.  Because you are a human being and by stating this as a fact, you are very likely to feel some emotional need to defend that fact, even though it is absolutely dead wrong.  We are thus set up to have an argument, rather than a discussion.  So, really, don't tell people what their positions are.  It is Not A Good Move.I do not doubt that the "OSR Movement" happened.  Nor am I, overall, for or against the OSR.  I do, however, question discussions of relative size or importance of that (or any other trend) as compared to other observed trends in the hobby.  I question your, or anyone else's, ability to stake out who is the Biggest and Most Important without something like a good definition and evidence. And, really, I don't see why you should be trying to evade that.  If you have good basis for the assertion, you can only enhance our belief by handing it over.   On the other hand, if you don't have it, it will save a great deal of wrangling to admit that is really just your personal feeling.  It is fine to have personal feelings on matters, so long as we acknowledge the difference between them and supportable facts.  Do it now, and there's no harm, no foul.You haven't even properly *defined* it!  I have already asked several posts ago what counts as "backwards looking", and given reason why it looks like this is a meaningless term*.  You think I'm going to wrangle with a ghost, step into a situation where I can't even show that goalposts are moving, because their location was never given in the first place?!?  That's, "land war in Asia," level bad strategy.  Not gonna happen. I will, however, point out the vagueness and fluidity of the statements, to demonstrate that, at least as given, they don't have clear import.  Shifting the burden of proof, sir!  *YOU* made the assertion on what the biggest trends were.  *YOU* have to support that.  You do not get to say, "My assertion stands unless you can prove otherwise."  You can start by stating how you think, "backwards looking," is really a meaningful term.  Then you can give the measure on which your assessment of the size, scope, or importance of the trend is based.  *The past had examples of so many designs and playstyles, that you can look at pretty much any modern game, and draw an analogy, and claim it was 'backwards looking". </blockquote>

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