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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 8096358" data-attributes="member: 16814">Yup, which is a substantially large number of players, many of whom do not match the demographics of this board.No, it's not, and I didn't call you shallow.&nbsp; I said a shallow analysis will show the faults in the truism -- meaning even a trivial look at it shows it's flaws.&nbsp; I gave that analysis, and showed the faults -- it fails far, far more often than it succeeds, most of the &quot;best&quot; products are the ones that follow the initial market opening, often by competitors who understand the new market better than the originators, etc, etc.&nbsp; And, citing marketing departments is a pretty bad support for your argument -- marketing departments neither drive nor do design (or shouldn't, though this is where a lot of Dilbert comes from) -- they sell what's made.&nbsp; By the time marketing is involved, the creation is over, so any truism marketing has is very disconnected from actual design work.&nbsp; Maybe I don't know anything, I'm just an systems engineer who designs and manages system and system of systems creation and sustainment for customers for a living.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 8096358, member: 16814"] Yup, which is a substantially large number of players, many of whom do not match the demographics of this board. No, it's not, and I didn't call [I]you [/I]shallow. I said a shallow analysis will show the faults in the truism -- meaning even a trivial look at it shows it's flaws. I gave that analysis, and showed the faults -- it fails far, far more often than it succeeds, most of the "best" products are the ones that follow the initial market opening, often by competitors who understand the new market better than the originators, etc, etc. And, citing marketing departments is a pretty bad support for your argument -- marketing departments neither drive nor do design (or shouldn't, though this is where a lot of Dilbert comes from) -- they sell what's made. By the time marketing is involved, the creation is over, so any truism marketing has is very disconnected from actual design work. Maybe I don't know anything, I'm just an systems engineer who designs and manages system and system of systems creation and sustainment for customers for a living. [/QUOTE]

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