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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 8100311" data-attributes="member: 16814"><p>I think that there is no "no psionics ever" crowd, at least in any size that makes a difference. I don't recall seeing anyone on ENW, for instance, that was anti-psionics to the point of intentionally tanking it. Ambivalent, perhaps. I say more people that wanted psionics but hated the various UA attempts and said they were going to spike it because it wasn't psionics to them. A few of the people that liked your comment specifically did this in the last UA. There's pretty much no evidence that there's a dedicated anti-psionics movement of any impactful size. It's all been your second category the entire time. Even for the less enthusiastic crowd, they get a say if they don't like the mechanics presented, even if psionics isn't something they're strongly for. Your argument boils down to blaming WotC for not putting out something you like in spite of other people's opinions. I don't think that's a particularly strong argument.</p><p></p><p>The reality is that your group B was the biggest problem. You say that the psionics wanting people wanted the Mystic, but you also said that you downvoted it in the surveys as part of group B. I thought the Mystic was a mess, thematically, but didn't mind the mechanics in general. I didn't respond to that survey, or any survey except the last, because psionics didn't interest me that much with what they were presenting -- I just didn't care. I liked the last one, with the psi-die, but I'm guessing you probably responded negatively to that one, again, as part of group B. I say that because I haven't seen you complain that the last UA wasn't accepted, just earlier versions, and because you've described WotC's approach as half-arsed and late in the game. Am I wrong, or did you group B the psi-die mechanics? If you did, then you're kinda losing any leg to stand on with the argument that it was all the other people that prevented psionics from being a thing and why we now have spell-slot psionics. I get you wanted what you wanted and the psi-die wasn't it, but you can't both hold the opinion that not-your-psionics was bad and that other people are wrong for not wanting your psionics. If you're going to pick up the right to downvote psionics you don't like, then you lose the high ground in calling out other people that did the same when you didn't want them to.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 8100311, member: 16814"] I think that there is no "no psionics ever" crowd, at least in any size that makes a difference. I don't recall seeing anyone on ENW, for instance, that was anti-psionics to the point of intentionally tanking it. Ambivalent, perhaps. I say more people that wanted psionics but hated the various UA attempts and said they were going to spike it because it wasn't psionics to them. A few of the people that liked your comment specifically did this in the last UA. There's pretty much no evidence that there's a dedicated anti-psionics movement of any impactful size. It's all been your second category the entire time. Even for the less enthusiastic crowd, they get a say if they don't like the mechanics presented, even if psionics isn't something they're strongly for. Your argument boils down to blaming WotC for not putting out something you like in spite of other people's opinions. I don't think that's a particularly strong argument. The reality is that your group B was the biggest problem. You say that the psionics wanting people wanted the Mystic, but you also said that you downvoted it in the surveys as part of group B. I thought the Mystic was a mess, thematically, but didn't mind the mechanics in general. I didn't respond to that survey, or any survey except the last, because psionics didn't interest me that much with what they were presenting -- I just didn't care. I liked the last one, with the psi-die, but I'm guessing you probably responded negatively to that one, again, as part of group B. I say that because I haven't seen you complain that the last UA wasn't accepted, just earlier versions, and because you've described WotC's approach as half-arsed and late in the game. Am I wrong, or did you group B the psi-die mechanics? If you did, then you're kinda losing any leg to stand on with the argument that it was all the other people that prevented psionics from being a thing and why we now have spell-slot psionics. I get you wanted what you wanted and the psi-die wasn't it, but you can't both hold the opinion that not-your-psionics was bad and that other people are wrong for not wanting your psionics. If you're going to pick up the right to downvote psionics you don't like, then you lose the high ground in calling out other people that did the same when you didn't want them to. [/QUOTE]
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