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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8796362" data-attributes="member: 93670">You are oversimplifying things & skipping over how different 2e was in ways that really matter in this case.[spoiler="2e bardstuff"][ATTACH=full]263618[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]263622[/ATTACH][/spoiler][spoiler="2e wizard stuff"][ATTACH=full]263617[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]263621[/ATTACH][/spoiler]2e bard had the thief/rogue exp progression as opposed to the wizard's wizard progression & both of them gained experience for different things.Bard also had a requirement of dex 12 int 13 cha 15 at the time when pointbuy was not the norm (or even in the phb from looking at pg 18/19).I believe that the only spell mentioned by name as a thing bards must have without cost is heroes feast.  As now heroes feast was a level 6 spell but bards got their first level 6 slot at level 16 not level 9 as now. Wizards by comparison got their first level 6 slot at level 12.  Even comparing the available spell slots each class had at 16 & 12 was different with wizard having 4/4/4/4/4/1 to the bard's 4/3/3/3/2/1.  The wizard reached level 12  to get that 6th level slot at 750,000xp while the bard was midway between 13(660,000xp) & 14 (880,000xp).  The bard gets level 16 at 1,320,000 which would put the wizard somewhere between 13(1,125,000xp) & 14(1,500,000xp).I'm not sure why levels 7 & 5 are of note & might have missed something that makes them relevant but a level 7 bard has minimum 40,000xp & the following spell slots 3/2/1 while a level 5 wizard minimum 20,000xp & has 4/2/1 spell slots.  at the same 40,000xp a wizard would be level 6 & has 4/2/2 spell slots.  Why is the bard7 wizard5 lineup here?Comparisons to 2e are difficult to make because there were so many variables, but the wizard had been casting 6th level spells for a good 4 of the bard's levels before the bard even gets their first first level slot despite their accelerated progression.  Saying 2/3 caster is close enough even then</blockquote>

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