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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 8477387" data-attributes="member: 16814">On Ta'veren:[USER=23751]@Maxperson[/USER] is somewhat wrong in their explanation.  A normal person has little to say about how the wheel weaves them -- it is hard for them to move their thread.  Meanwhile, Ta'veren alter the weave as they move through it -- they make the weave respond to them.  There are some places for everyone where the wheel holds you tight, but where that isn't happening it's the Ta'veren that alter things to their use while normal people find it much harder to alter their destiny (not impossible, but difficult).  It's not predestination so much as what it's names -- a pattern.  Ta'veren change the pattern easily, normal people do not, but may with great effort.So, with that correction, the girls are even MORE impressive for what they did without being Ta'veren.  They did it the hard way, and earned every last step, having to fight for it.  In my opinion, the changing of Egwene to Ta'veren does a huge disservice to the character, because it take away from what she did by making it more about magical people than hard work and grit.</blockquote>