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Wheel of Time Discussion - Spoilers(with book spoilers)

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
It's time to create this thread I think. More and more of us have seen at least some of the episodes. I still have the third one to see.

My thoughts so far are that the first episode was a bit disjointed and hard to follow for the first half or so. I'm also not sure how I feel about the changes. Perrin's marriage, I'm looking at you. The second episode was much more enjoyable. It was much easier to follow and the story moved forward at a better pace.
 

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TheSword

Legend
So I had high hopes. It doesn’t quite hit the mark for me. Something feels off. My concern is too much angst.

Things I Liked

Trollocs. Jesus Christ these things are beasts! Awesomely done.

Moiraine. Totally Boss. Has the balance between ruthless, powerful and fragile. Dominates every episode.

Channelling. I didn’t know what to expect. I like it. It simply conveys the impression of gathering magic.

Egwene. I like her confidence and pragmatism. She has charisma.

The scene with the wolves. It was fun.

The dream sequence. Bats? As creepy as it should be though.

The White Cloaks Style. A little one dimensional but they look pretty cool. I imagined knights templars but wasn’t disappointed with their slightly punky robed look.

Things That Missed the Mark

Mashadar. None of the quiet creeping menace of the silvery mist. It was a missed opportunity.

Where was Ordeith?

Where were the trollocs in shader lorgoth. Driven by the forsaken?

Where was Tams farewell to Rand?

Why isn’t Rand very nice? He’s supposed to be a serious, but charismatic guy who does the right thing. He seems like a bit of a brat.

I have no idea why the opened with a weird voice over dressing scene.

The scenery feels… too much… not like real places. I love mountains, but there are definitely too many mountains.

Where is the characterization. Apart from Moiraine and Egwene I don’t feel like I know anything about their characters.

In overview. Acceptable but not gripping. I score it so far a B-
Better than Shanara’s F, but no where near Game of Thrones first season A.
 
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Mordhau

Adventurer
I've watched the first three. I think it's better than it had any right to be, really. (I was expecting something along the lines of the quality of the Shannara tv show)

There's a lot of talk about the changes in details, but overall I would argue that this adaptation is extraordinarily faithful to the spirit of the books. It's really taking it's time to do the worldbuilding from the books, something which may not go down well with a wider audience - we'll see, This is really fantasy for fantasy fans, and is not embarrassed to be.

It suffers of course, because the characters are just not especially compelling, there's no Tyrion Lannister here, but that's the source material really. It's highly derivative but then that's the source material again and they seem to be mostly doing a good job of avoiding adding storytelling cliches that weren't already in the books.
 

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
Things I Liked

Trollocs. Jesus Christ these things are beasts! Awesomely done.
Agreed. They were really well done.
Moiraine. Totally Boss. Has the balance between ruthless, powerful and fragile. Dominates every episode.
Agreed again.
Channelling. I didn’t know what to expect. I like it. It simply conveys the impression of gathering magic.
I like how they do it. The gathering of the power is a good way to express it.
Egwene. I like her confidence and pragmatism. She has charisma.
I'm conflicted on Egwene. I do really like Nynaeve, though.
The scene with the wolves. It was fun.
All of the scenes with the wolves.
The dream sequence. Bats? As creepy as it should be though.
Yep.
The White Cloaks Style. A little one dimensional but they look pretty cool. I imagined knights templars but wasn’t disappointed with their slightly punky robed look.
I thought were portrayed well. In the books they were very one dimensional as well. Only the elder Bornhold seems to have thoughts that people could dislike the White Cloaks and not be darkfriends.
Things That Missed the Mark

Mashadar. None of the quiet creeping menace of the silvery mist. It was a missed opportunity.
Maybe the mist would have cost more money. The darkness spreading around them was still pretty creepy and menacing.
Where was Ordeith?
He doesn't exist. Padan Fain was at the Two Rivers and he goes into Shadar Logoth after the group leaves. There mashadar mingles with the dark one's influence and changes him into Ordeith. You're probably thinking of Mordeth, and I wondered the same thing. Again, it was probably an attempt to save money.
Where were the trollocs in shader lorgoth. Driven by the forsaken?
Checking the bank account for the series ;)
Where was Tams farewell to Rand?
That I missed and I think should have happened. It would have been a fairly short addition to the episode.
Why isn’t Rand very nice? He’s supposed to be a serious, but charismatic guy who does the right thing. He seems like a bit of a brat.
He shows up in episode three at the inn.
The scenery feels… too much… not like real places. I love mountains, but there are definitely too many mountains.
Yeah. There are definitely too many mountains. There weren't that many in the book.
Where is the characterization. Apart from Moiraine and Egwene I don’t feel like I know anything about their characters.
Nynaeve we learn about a bit in episode 3. We pick up on some of Perrin and Egwene as they travel after leaving Shadar Logoth. Matt shows up a bit at the inn as well, but he's a bit dark by then.
In overview. Acceptable but not gripping. I score it so far a B-
Better than Shanara’s F, but no where near Game of Thrones first season A.
Agreed.

One of the things I really liked is the way they have been using blood imagery. When Nynaeve killed the trolloc and the flame of Tar Valon appeared in the water, and when the darkfriend was killed and her blood faded into the mountain scene with Moiraine.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
I liked it a bit more. B or a B+. Not as good as say Season1 GoT first three episodes. I think that's more the source material though eg each character gets a pov scene and each episode is several of them strung togather.

Wife asked me what fans think of the book. Personally I gave up but the overall idea is good the execution was off. Meandering, crap characters etc. The world's good.
 


Herschel

Adventurer
Watched the first two episodes and it's hit-and-miss.

The good: Scenery and creatures are quite solid. The story seems to be moving along. Most of the main characters are solid and character building is okay. The separate factions aren't fleshed out yet, but there are building blocks without tedious exposition.

The bad: Josha Stradowski (Rand) doesn't seem an actor so much as a block of wood they taught how to whine. Rosamund Pike and Kate Fleetwood have hair color that just looks so unnatural on them and breaks my immersion even though they're both talented actors. So does Eamon Valda having the high-pitched, braying voice of the porn cameraman from Love Actually and the guy whining about 'Council streets' and 'council potholes' from Doctor Who "Fear Her".
 

payn

Legend
Didnt read the books. I think the shooting location is beautiful. The effects are pretty good. The Trollock things looked mostly good, but occasionally cheesy. I kind of wish they would have skipped the info dump at the beginning and just had it discussed between characters in exposition, but at least it was short. Feels like LotR amped up.

Oh, the questioner guy? Yeah I like the cut of his scabbard, thats my kind of inquisitor.
 



wicked cool

Adventurer
After 3-
special effects good (did feel at times Trollocs dipped into bad but also great at times)
Acting -average to poor. There’s not a single performance as good as a secondary character in got or equivalent (I would argue the actors in magicians are better ) so this goes into casting
Scenery/locations good
Costumes-good and bad. Rands coat looks very modern along with his hair
Now as a casual fan who gave up on this series they are as of right now not giving a lot of direction for the viewer. It comes off as groups of people are just walking around looking for the dragon.

show right now is a c- for it’s budget which I thought was substantial
Graded below
Obviously GOT
I would argue the acting in Witcher
I would argue acting in the magicians
Shadow and bone has actors that are better and is easier for audience to follow

if it stays like this it won’t get 3 seasons
 




Mercurius

Legend
I'm surprised that peopled loved the trollocs . They were almost really good, but so obviously fake, and at times really bad. I liked the look of them - they were more fearsome than I remember from the books, although its been decades - but their movements looked like 20-year old CGI. Isn't this supposed to be super high budget? Hopefully they'll be polished up over the next season or two.

In fact, that's my feeling of the first episode (haven't seen the other two yet): Shows some promise, but is also quite lacking. As some have mentioned, it splits the difference between the awful Shannara (Xena-esque without the charm ) and GoT. If it is starting that way, maybe it will improve.

But yeah, part of the problem is the casting. Rand is dull, and very much seems like another Hayden Christiansen. Mat was probably the best of the group. Nynaeve was solid, Perrin and Egwene OK. Rosamund Pike was good, as expected. Lan was OK.

All that said, I mostly enjoyed it and my daughters (13 and 16) really liked it, so it is something to watch with them.
 

Mercurius

Legend
One more thing, this time positive. I liked that they didn't go for yet another full-on Medieval vibe. I'm not sure that what they did worked very well, but at least they tried to veer a bit from standard Medieval fantasy. Two Rivers felt a bit like a mix of far-future bucolic dystopia, hippy commune, and even tones of the Wild West. It was different than I expected, and I kind of liked it.
 

Mordhau

Adventurer
One more thing, this time positive. I liked that they didn't go for yet another full-on Medieval vibe. I'm not sure that what they did worked very well, but at least they tried to veer a bit from standard Medieval fantasy. Two Rivers felt a bit like a mix of far-future bucolic dystopia, hippy commune, and even tones of the Wild West. It was different than I expected, and I kind of liked it.
I actually thought the whole thing looked like modern D&D art.

Or in other words, I thought it really went for a standard fantasy look - which is not at all medieval.
 

Mercurius

Legend
I actually thought the whole thing looked like modern D&D art.

Or in other words, I thought it really went for a standard fantasy look - which is not at all medieval.
OK, fair enough. I still think it had its own ingredients, and I can't think of another film/series that felt truly similar.
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
One more thing, this time positive. I liked that they didn't go for yet another full-on Medieval vibe. I'm not sure that what they did worked very well, but at least they tried to veer a bit from standard Medieval fantasy. Two Rivers felt a bit like a mix of far-future bucolic dystopia, hippy commune, and even tones of the Wild West. It was different than I expected, and I kind of liked it.
The books do take place in the future of our world, after a couple of apocalypses, both nuclear and magical.

The overall setting goes for more of an 18th century, "Enlightenment" era vibe than Medieval, socially and technologically.
 

Mordhau

Adventurer
OK, fair enough. I still think it had its own ingredients, and I can't think of another film/series that felt truly similar.
Oh yeah. I think it's actually the first tv series to actually capture some of the look and feel of fantasy art.

The closest equivalent I can think of is the way the Lord of the Rings movies built on existing Tolkien art.
 

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