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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 9002585" data-attributes="member: 177"><p>Okay, so... this argument again. I'll probably regret it, but I'll bite.</p><p></p><p>The problem with this position is that it <em>assumes</em> a pretty narrow definition of "quality" without stating that definition, and effectively takes the position that definition is the only one that matters. </p><p></p><p>Meanwhile, McDonalds pays more attention to quality management and assurance, and cares more about measures of its quality, than your favorite Michelin star restaurant. But they are just managing the quality of aspects you, personally, probably don't give a fig about. They measure and pay much attention to the quality of aspects that lead to popularity. The resulting popularity is an indicator of that quality.</p><p></p><p>And it is okay that you, personally, don't care about those aspects. But if you don't look beyond your own cares for ideas about quality, you miss a great deal. </p><p></p><p>As a personal example, I'll raise a movie from 2005 - Sin City, starring Bruce Willis and many other big names. </p><p></p><p>I hate this film. I find it both physically and emotionally unpleasant to watch. But, I recognize that I hate it <em>because</em> it is an incredibly well-crafted, high quality film. It does what it intends to do <em>extremely</em> well. But what it is doing is something I intensely dislike.</p><p></p><p>We could further go into dishes made with cilantro - to many, this is one of the most common and welcome herbs in their cuisine. But, for biological reasons, to some folks it tastes strongly like soap. For those latter people, they will have a bad experience eating a dish with a lot of cilantro in it, coming away feeling they've just eaten a bar of Irish Spring - but that doesn't mean the dish is low-quality, poorly made.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 9002585, member: 177"] Okay, so... this argument again. I'll probably regret it, but I'll bite. The problem with this position is that it [I]assumes[/I] a pretty narrow definition of "quality" without stating that definition, and effectively takes the position that definition is the only one that matters. Meanwhile, McDonalds pays more attention to quality management and assurance, and cares more about measures of its quality, than your favorite Michelin star restaurant. But they are just managing the quality of aspects you, personally, probably don't give a fig about. They measure and pay much attention to the quality of aspects that lead to popularity. The resulting popularity is an indicator of that quality. And it is okay that you, personally, don't care about those aspects. But if you don't look beyond your own cares for ideas about quality, you miss a great deal. As a personal example, I'll raise a movie from 2005 - Sin City, starring Bruce Willis and many other big names. I hate this film. I find it both physically and emotionally unpleasant to watch. But, I recognize that I hate it [I]because[/I] it is an incredibly well-crafted, high quality film. It does what it intends to do [I]extremely[/I] well. But what it is doing is something I intensely dislike. We could further go into dishes made with cilantro - to many, this is one of the most common and welcome herbs in their cuisine. But, for biological reasons, to some folks it tastes strongly like soap. For those latter people, they will have a bad experience eating a dish with a lot of cilantro in it, coming away feeling they've just eaten a bar of Irish Spring - but that doesn't mean the dish is low-quality, poorly made. [/QUOTE]
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