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<blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 8418959" data-attributes="member: 6716779">As the title says. When did the Roman empire fall?&nbsp;The traditional date is 476CE although others say 480CE. &nbsp;In recent decades 1453 is also picking up steam as the Byzantines Empire was an investigation by western historians as they identified as Roman and we're a political continuation of that state. &nbsp; One could even claim 1460/61 as the last remnants of the Byzantine state fell to the Ottomans (Morea and Trebizond). &nbsp; Others claim the 6th or 7th century with the last latin areas left and the institutions, legions and language fell out of use in the Eastern Empire. &nbsp;Then you have remnants such as the Catholic Church, San Marino and Venice also surving the fall in the west. &nbsp;Finally apparently some people on the Greek Islands as late as the 19th century identified as Romans vs Hellenes around the Greek War of independence. They were nominally under Turkish rule but had carried on much as they had since the fall of Constantinople. &nbsp;For me I think of 1453 although I find it funny some people as late as the 19th century could plausibly identify as Roman.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Zardnaar, post: 8418959, member: 6716779"] As the title says. When did the Roman empire fall? The traditional date is 476CE although others say 480CE. In recent decades 1453 is also picking up steam as the Byzantines Empire was an investigation by western historians as they identified as Roman and we're a political continuation of that state. One could even claim 1460/61 as the last remnants of the Byzantine state fell to the Ottomans (Morea and Trebizond). Others claim the 6th or 7th century with the last latin areas left and the institutions, legions and language fell out of use in the Eastern Empire. Then you have remnants such as the Catholic Church, San Marino and Venice also surving the fall in the west. Finally apparently some people on the Greek Islands as late as the 19th century identified as Romans vs Hellenes around the Greek War of independence. They were nominally under Turkish rule but had carried on much as they had since the fall of Constantinople. For me I think of 1453 although I find it funny some people as late as the 19th century could plausibly identify as Roman. [/QUOTE]

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