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<blockquote data-quote="Kramodlog" data-source="post: 6578343" data-attributes="member: 55961">Indeed. And for home games &quot;bloat&quot; is a choice. You decide what you buy and what you use. So bloat is essentially dead for 5e. Yeah, I know about 2e's saga.I thought Dancey said the 50 million bench mark came after a new VP arrived in 2005 and wanted to shelve any Hasbro product that made less 100 million$. He also said that World of Warcraft (released in 2004) drained a lot of players away from PnP RPGs and that hurt the brain. This is why 4e and DDI was thought out and 4e needed to be close to a video game. He didn't mention 3e not making enough money or 50 million $ targets, if I remember correctly. And there is the elephant in the room: Paizo. They are printing lots of books, making money and became #1 in stores. Seems the problem of D&amp;D are not entirely tied to bloat. I'm not sure how APs are more significant than any other RPG book. Re-use is limited and from what people at Paizo have said most gamers do not finish APs. It seems they have more shelving potential. (Useful) Crunch and campaign source books are get more use. Campaign books from older editions are still used by gamers. Lore last longer than mechanics.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kramodlog, post: 6578343, member: 55961"] Indeed. And for home games "bloat" is a choice. You decide what you buy and what you use. So bloat is essentially dead for 5e. Yeah, I know about 2e's saga. I thought Dancey said the 50 million bench mark came after a new VP arrived in 2005 and wanted to shelve any Hasbro product that made less 100 million$. He also said that World of Warcraft (released in 2004) drained a lot of players away from PnP RPGs and that hurt the brain. This is why 4e and DDI was thought out and 4e needed to be close to a video game. He didn't mention 3e not making enough money or 50 million $ targets, if I remember correctly. And there is the elephant in the room: Paizo. They are printing lots of books, making money and became #1 in stores. Seems the problem of D&D are not entirely tied to bloat. I'm not sure how APs are more significant than any other RPG book. Re-use is limited and from what people at Paizo have said most gamers do not finish APs. It seems they have more shelving potential. (Useful) Crunch and campaign source books are get more use. Campaign books from older editions are still used by gamers. Lore last longer than mechanics. [/QUOTE]

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