when the marker is dying

[TerraDave]

what happens to the mark? or divine challenge, or similar effects?

 

[AbdulAlhazred]

Nothing by RAW. But a mark will rarely persist in this situation. The unconscious fighter isn't going to be renewing marks and the unconscious paladin isn't going to be able to maintain the conditions for a DC. So they're going to fade at the end of the character's next turn. There may be a few permanent type marks that will persist, but even if the PC dies I don't see anything that says they go away.

 

[MrMyth]

It is a tricky situation. It came up several times for my swordmage, since they don't have to worry about maintaining a mark.

The problem is, the rules don't say it goes away aside from when it would normally expire. But it both seems strange to have it persist when the character isn't there to be applying it, and it is potentially dangerous since it would encourage enemies to attack dying PCs.

I think the way we ran it in my group is that the mark remained until it would normally expire, but did not actually function as long as the character was dying. So if they got healed up in time, they wouldn't need to reapply it (aside from when they would normally need to do so), but it wouldn't cause issues while they were dying.

 

[TerraDave]

a major problem, especially for a souped up version like the divine challenge, is that it is basically saying "please coup de grace me".

 

[sfedi]

Simple houserule:

If at the start of your turn you are not conscious, enemies are no longer marked by you.

 

[BobTheNob]

what happens to the mark? or divine challenge, or similar effects?

Since a mark can easily be interpreted as a perception of threat from the marker on behalf of the marked target, if said source of threat is gone, the mark would not remain. (i.e. "I was really threatened by the fighter over there, but now he is down, so why would I be threatened any more?")

Thats how we play marks. If the marker goes done, all marks they had are now null and void.

It can be argued the various marks work differently (swordmage agis?) but I find rule consistancy to be a more important consideration that try to argue differences over quirks regarding marking style.

 

[fba827]

our table plays it that marks go away if the marker is unconcious/dead. it was a fairly clean and easy to implement rule for us and did not result in any weird situations. we justified it pretty much bobthenob just said.

whether or not that's a house rule or book ruling, i have no idea anymore since we came up with that decision a long time ago.

 

[Infiniti2000]

our table plays it that marks go away if the marker is not concious/dead.

Odd, we play it the exact opposite, but I suppose you just had the extra 'not' in there by accident.

 

[Hjorimir]

Simple houserule:

If at the start of your turn you are not conscious, enemies are no longer marked by you.

That's how we play it.

 

[fba827]

Odd, we play it the exact opposite, but I suppose you just had the extra 'not' in there by accident.

Err... umm.. yeah, that's an unintentional "not" that snuck in there. I may have meant to say "now" but well that wouldn't make complete sense either... we'll chalk it up to my typing fingers working against me! i'll edit my above post.