Where is info in 4.0 on how to create Multiclass PC?

[Rosunaj]

In the PHB 4.0 there is mention of multiclass pc powers, etc. but nothing about how to actually create a character. For now am using 3.5 rules to do so. Any suggestions?

 

[Cpt_Micha]

Page 208 in the Player's handbook has the multiclassing rules.

 

[Lizard]

In the PHB 4.0 there is mention of multiclass pc powers, etc. but nothing about how to actually create a character. For now am using 3.5 rules to do so. Any suggestions?

You cannot create multiclass characters as they have been known in 3e.

You take one of the multiclassing feats. This gives you the powers/abilities noted in the feat description. Later, you may also take 'swap' feats which let you choose a power from your secondary class instead of (not in addition to) one of your existing class powers.

Thus, someone who takes the Initiate Of The Faith feat gains training in Religion and the ability to use the Cleric's "Healing Word" power 1/day (instead of 1/encounter like the cleric can). If you then choose "Novice Power", you can swap a single encounter attack power from your base class for one from the cleric's Prayer list, of 4th level or less.

You no longer gain levels in more than one class. You are always primarily your first class; you merely dabble in a second class.

 

[Cpt_Micha]

You cannot create multiclass characters as they have been known in 3e.

You take one of the multiclassing feats. This gives you the powers/abilities noted in the feat description. Later, you may also take 'swap' feats which let you choose a power from your secondary class instead of (not in addition to) one of your existing class powers.

Thus, someone who takes the Initiate Of The Faith feat gains training in Religion and the ability to use the Cleric's "Healing Word" power 1/day (instead of 1/encounter like the cleric can). If you then choose "Novice Power", you can swap a single encounter attack power from your base class for one from the cleric's Prayer list, of 4th level or less.

You no longer gain levels in more than one class. You are always primarily your first class; you merely dabble in a second class.

You can have a 50 50 split roughly, I'd call that a little more than a dabble.

 

[Lizard]

You can have a 50 50 split roughly, I'd call that a little more than a dabble.

a)You will never gain the class features, except those explicitly granted -- no way for a non-wizard to learn Mage Hand, for example.
b)You will never gain a power higher than 19th level in your second class.
c)At 10th level, out of 11 total powers, three can come from your second class -- that's close to 1/4, not 1/2.

I call that dabbling.

Which is fine for a lot of builds, but since we were once promised "any combination, any level", it's a bit of a let-down.

4e really feels like it was released a year early, but that's another thread.

 

[Malicea]

a)You will never gain the class features, except those explicitly granted -- no way for a non-wizard to learn Mage Hand, for example.
b)You will never gain a power higher than 19th level in your second class.
c)At 10th level, out of 11 total powers, three can come from your second class -- that's close to 1/4, not 1/2.

I call that dabbling.

Which is fine for a lot of builds, but since we were once promised "any combination, any level", it's a bit of a let-down.

4e really feels like it was released a year early, but that's another thread.

(b) is false. You can use Adept Power to swap a 29th level power if you want. You can retrain power/feat choices 1/level.

At 20th level, 7 powers can come from your second class out of 15. That's almost half. If you discount utility powers, 5 out of 10 powers come from your second class all the way to level 30. I'd say half is about right.

4E feels completely fine to me.

 

[Cpt_Micha]

a)You will never gain the class features, except those explicitly granted -- no way for a non-wizard to learn Mage Hand, for example.
b)You will never gain a power higher than 19th level in your second class.
c)At 10th level, out of 11 total powers, three can come from your second class -- that's close to 1/4, not 1/2.

I call that dabbling.

Which is fine for a lot of builds, but since we were once promised "any combination, any level", it's a bit of a let-down.

4e really feels like it was released a year early, but that's another thread.

I was more thinking about the deeper multiclassing option there. I like the idea behind this editions multiclassing alot more though. And is it the Eternal Seeker that is pretty much the multi classer's destiny?

 

[Lizard]

(b) is false. You can use Adept Power to swap a 29th level power if you want. You can retrain power/feat choices 1/level.

At 20th level, 7 powers can come from your second class out of 15. That's almost half. If you discount utility powers, 5 out of 10 powers come from your second class all the way to level 30. I'd say half is about right.

4E feels completely fine to me.

I was misreading the swap feats to only apply to powers below 10th level. My bad.

As for total powers, at level 30, assuming you take all swap feats and paragon multiclassing, you will have 6 second class powers out of 17 total, or about 1/3rd. So the 'ratio' actually shifts over time; you're at the best balance point at 20th.

(It seems to me multiclassing becomes a worse deal the deeper you go -- the system gives a lot of 'bang for the buck' for taking the initial feat (to the point where taking one is almost a no-brainer compared to other Heroic feats) and maybe one swap feat, but you lose a lot if you go for paragon -- you have three fewer total powers and lose all the PP abilities. Hopefully, there will be multiclass specific PPs in the future.)

 

[zoroaster100]

I agree that paragon path multiclassing needs better rules, so that it is a viable choice. The feat-based multiclassing seems fine, however.

 

[Cpt_Micha]

I was pondering allowing Paragon Multi classing to let you pick up a couple of your base classes class features.

Feat based does seem best as it allows you most of the benefits for nearly all the paragon paths, of both of your classes. (except for an odd one like the fey lock's)