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Which Console should I buy?

See, for me, I like the X-Box controller more than any other. It's the first controller I've ever held that is actually DESIGNED for the hands of an adult. It's not small and cramped.

Also, the two-part breakaway cables the X-Box controllers use are *nice*. A real system saver, I can say from experience.

"No! Don't step there! Aaaah! *crash*"
 
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LightPhoenix said:
Sorry, but I have to take task with these two statements, otherwise I agree with your arguments.

First, neither Morrowind nor KotOR are X-Box exclusive - they're available for PC as well. Halo is available on PC, and Doom III will be as well. So stop calling them exclusive (and that goes for everyone). They're not. Of course, the latter two don't matter since he said he doesn't like FPS games. I can't recommend getting a $200 system for one exclusive RPG, even if it is by Bioware.

Also, there are "unique awesome games" on every system, not just the X-Box. Metroid Prime is a "unique awesome game" on the GC. As is Zelda: Wind Waker. As for PS2, my favorite "unique awesome game" is actually a PS1 title - Castlevania: Symphony of the Night. Finally, there are hardly improved versions of every "good" (subjective term) PS2 game. So neither statement holds any water, because it's based on personal opinion.

[EDIT] Apologies if that came off a bit snippy Dragonblade. The "exclusive" claim is something that really bothers me about the X-Box advertising, since a majority of the games are either ports from another console or available on the PC.

But that last statement really was ludicrous. :)

No problem. What I meant was that those games would be X-box exclusive as far as consoles go. The PC game market is vastly different than the console market and its hard to compare the two.

There are some good PS2 games, but more and more all the formerly PS2 only games are coming out for the X-box. There was a time when by buying an X-box meant you were losing access to games like Vice City, Metal Gear Solid, Tenchu, etc.

But that is no longer the case. All of these former PS2 exclusives are making their way to the X-box. And the X-box version is generally superior to the PS2 version.

There are also console (not counting the PC) exclusives like Morrowind and KOTOR. And future console exclusives like KOTOR 2 and Jade Empire, Halo, Doom 3, etc. These games will never come out for the PS2 or GC.

Yes, the PS2 has a ton more games. But all the best PS2 games are making their way to the X-box. The PS2 also has a ton of bad games. To be sure there are some stinkers on the X-box, but generally less than the PS2.

Basically, unless you literally plan on buying a lot of games, the vast library of the PS2 doesn't really mean anything. Yes, the PS2 does have a ton of RPGs but how many of those are really good? Final Fantasy? Bah! Square is a frustrated movie maker and the Final Fantasy series is garbage IMO. They have devolved into nothing more than CG cutscenes seperated by some combat. The stories, the characters, everything are so tightly on rails that they don't give you control over anything but combat anymore. Eventually, they'll just play the game for you and make you watch.

I can only afford to buy a new game every two or three months so this means I try very carefully to buy only the best games around. All the games I'm interested in are coming out for or are out for the X-box and the X-box version is superior to the PS2 version for games that are out for both systems. Buying an X-box was an easy choice for me.

The GC doesn't even enter into the equation. Zelda, Metroid, and Resident Evil are the only GC games of any worth. Every other good GC game is available on other consoles.

All of my friends with both or all three systems have never even looked at their PS2s or GCs since buying X-boxes.
 

Tsyr said:
Also, the two-part breakaway cables the X-Box controllers use are *nice*. A real system saver, I can say from experience.

"No! Don't step there! Aaaah! *crash*"
Especially when you have small children like I do, who don't always pay attention to where that cable is. :D


I own an Xbox and a Gamecube. I like both equally, and find they each do different things equally well. NO console does traditional CRPGs that well, as they're not geared to it, and the focus is different. Here's a brief set of thoughts:

First, for LP's sake, understand that most console gamers, magazines and companies recognize 'exclusive' to mean 'console-exclusive'. Halo PC came out two years after Halo on the Xbox, so I'd say it qualifies, especially as Halo is considered one the killer apps for the Xbox, especially for LAN parties. Morrowind wa a PC game first, so it's more legitimate to be upset as hearing that as an exclusive...it's clearly an adaption. But 'exclusives' are what set one console apart from another, and help sell the platform. Getting the exclusives like Metroid, Mario and Zelda were big selling points for getting the Cube, to me.

Nintendo has fewer games than any of the three platforms, but the quality level is also higher, per capita, IMHO. As an old school gamer, you might appreciate many of the games that emphasize gameplay. Mario Party 4 and 5 are great party games, for example. The whole Resident Evil series has been brought the Gamecube, now, which are awesome. Zelda: Wind Waker is one of the greatest games for any console anywhere, and Metroid is suprisingly well done. Super Mario Sunshine is just plain fun, and Rogue Squadron is too. Super Smash Brothers Melee sets the standard for crazy multiplayer, and games like Ikaruga, Viewtiful Joe and Mario Golf are suprisingly good games. Nintendo isn't for kids, it's just not only for adults.

Xbox, on the other hand, has a slight technical edge, and targets a difference audience. Xbox is after the 18-24 male, and it's software choices reflect that. It has more games than Nintendo, but still fewer than the PS2. Of the three consoles, it has some of the best US RPGs, namely Morrowind and Knights of the Old Republic. Since the former is a PC adaption and the later was always envisioned to be moved to the PC during creation, this isnt' suprising. In this respect, the Xbox wins hands-down, in that the likelihood of future CRPGs finding their way to the Xbox is much more likely than any other platform. An example of this is Deus Ex 2: Invisible War...but if you're a CRPG gamer, you can get it there, instead. Xbox is big on FPSs (which you don't prefer), middling on platformers, and big on sports and driving/racing games. Games like Crimson Skies and D&D Heroes (a super souped-up Gauntlet) are fun, and Microsoft has been agressively trying to garner support for new Xbox exclusives, like Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles, stuff from Rare and the like. The only place the Xbox really falls down is in support from Japan, where the Xbox has had poor sales, meaning little development for anything other than the US market. X-box also has the best online service, with X-box Live, delivering new content and online matches with equal aplomb, and more feature rich than Sony's offering.

PS/2: The only console I don't actually own. First advantage: backward compatability. Currently the only system you could play ever Legacy of Kain game on (if you were masochistic :P), for example. This is somewhat overrated if you didn't own a PS/1, and aren't interested in getting the older games. The huge library available is another big selling point, in that Sony's console leads by a huge margin over it's rivals. Unfortunately, as Sturgeon's Law tells us, 90% of everything is crap. Some titles that should never have seen the light of day show up as cheap throwouts for the PS/2...but that's hardly the console's fault (but it is important to consider when hearing that 2000 games are available...do you really think you'll be picking up Antz Extreme Racing, Lowrider or Pryzm Chapter One: Dark Unicorn?) On the other hand, PS/2 has some of the best and most innovative games available anywhere, and the newest and some of the best games will only appear here. Games that are truly different, like ICO, or that push the genre like Devil May Cry or Kingdom Hearts or Final Fantasy VII. Having millions of fellow players means you get access to the widest library and some of the best games anywhere, sometimes first and sometimes at all. Technologically, the PS/2 is the weakest (particularly with it's graphics), but at the same time, it's also benefits from the being the one that programmers are most familiar with (and able to push), as well as benefiting from the widest developer base.

All of which ignores the fourth "console", and the second most popular behind the PS/2....the Gameboy Advance. The GBA is an old schoolers paradise, with games that emphasize gameplay (although some have quite snazzy graphics, thank you) over pure graphics splendor. It's portablity is something that shouldn't be underestimated. I play Fire Emblem (a tactical RPG) on the train to work every day, and my wife won't let me play Final Fantasy Tactics: Advanced, until she's totally defeated it. Games like Metroid: Fusion and old arcade classics are fun, and there are lots of good platform and RPGs available...more console RPGs than the Gamecube and Nintendo combined, if you like that sort of thing (including Eye of the Beholder, the 3e version of that old PC goldbox classic). And if you purchase the GBA and Gamecube, you get synergy between the games, as well as the ability to purchase the gameboy player, an attachment to let you play GBA games on the Cube. Which RAWKS, in case you're wondering.

Finally, remember that many games are available across multiple platforms and are quite good in any incarnation. Games like Prince of Persia and Soul Calibur look just as good, no matter what platform you're on. Some games, like Spy Hunter, are equally BAD no matter what plaform you buy them for. As for controllers, I actually prefer Nintendo's Wavebird as the best one, and then the Xbox Controller-S, but YMMV.

So my recommendation? Any of the above, depending on your criteria. If I had to choose just one, it would be one of the Nintendos, I suppose, for different reasons (play with the kids, play on the road, and so on). I may get a PS/2 at some point...but I've got enough titles as it is.

Hope that helps. :)
 

LightPhoenix pretty much covered all the points I was going to make in his original post, but I'll throw in an additional vote for the PS2. I have all three consoles, and I get the most use by far out of my PS2, and the least out of my XBox. (Most of the worthwhile XBox titles I just play on my PC, where many of them have additional content or features.)

The backwards compatibility is a big plus for me... there are a _lot_ of very good PSOne games out there, especially if you're in it more for the gameplay than the graphics, and most of them can be had very cheaply. In addition, when the next wave of consoles hit in 2005, there's talk that the PS3 will be backwards compatible with both PS2 and PS, while XBox games will more than likely be unplayable on the next gen XBox 2.

Lastly, the PS2 is easier to cart around if you're one of those people who likes to bring games with you on trips and such. The GameCube is even easier... but that XBox is one heavy piece of equipment. :)
 

Tsyr said:
See, for me, I like the X-Box controller more than any other. It's the first controller I've ever held that is actually DESIGNED for the hands of an adult. It's not small and cramped.

Also, the two-part breakaway cables the X-Box controllers use are *nice*. A real system saver, I can say from experience.

"No! Don't step there! Aaaah! *crash*"

I like everything about the xbox but where the white and black buttons are. I haven't found a controller yet that puts them in afinger intuitive place. I'd much prefer either a 6 buton street fighter like set up or the 4 buttons with the 4 triggers like the PS. Other than that though I prefer the xbox controller over any other it fits my hands much better, and the breakaway cables are frickin brilliant.

Also a minor perk for the xbox is quality of its components. I like my cables to be like monster cables, and not some cheap wires. Bad explanation but I'm short on time and got to go.
 

Dragonblade said:
No problem. What I meant was that those games would be X-box exclusive as far as consoles go. The PC game market is vastly different than the console market and its hard to compare the two.
Yeah, I know. Being cash-strapped myself though, I just feel the need to stress that. My apologies again for being snippy.

Final Fantasy? Bah! Square is a frustrated movie maker and the Final Fantasy series is garbage IMO. They have devolved into nothing more than CG cutscenes seperated by some combat. The stories, the characters, everything are so tightly on rails that they don't give you control over anything but combat anymore. Eventually, they'll just play the game for you and make you watch.
Hah, we do agree on something! :)

And since I don't feel like cutting and pasting WizardDru's quote on GBA being second-best... I would say it's THE best. For one because there really is no competition, and for two because the numbers are astronomical, and there are a bunch of really great games as well.
 

add me in onto the list of those agreeing on FF. I'm playing X-2 with one of my friends and I'm thinkning the game would be better if they had a mode where you could play the game wihtout a story. Not only am I forced into a linear story with only control over the fights.(though the mechinic is fun for a while) but there stories suck and the only thing suckier are the characters.

Man FF X-2 was a brilliant idea, lets take the suckiest characters from the suckiest FF and make a sequel. God save me from weak, teen agst losers in pathetically contrived storyines with some kind of amnesia always thrown in. Oh and the overly girly aspect of the characters in x-2 is annoying in the extreme. And for those truly girly moments they somehow made there combat/class change system into a dress me up final fantasy game.
 


Tsyr said:
Final Fantasy used to be good.

6 was the last good one. It jumped the shark big time after that.

I give the FF series 7 as well as good. The story was subpar, but at least I liked some of the characters. And at the time the cut scenes to me at elast were impresive and new.
 

Tsyr said:
Final Fantasy used to be good.

6 was the last good one. It jumped the shark big time after that.

Well, I liked FF7, but I agree that Final Fantasy "jumped the shark" starting with FF8. It seems clear to me that the FF team would rather be making movies, but are stuck making video games. That commercial that they've been running for FFX-2 with the music concert actually makes we want to egg the developer's houses. Who cares about gameplay when you've got dancing anime-girls singing some insipid song? How the mighty have fallen.

-Ryan
 

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