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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 5947885" data-attributes="member: 1465">As long as Wizards are vancian, I'm fine with whatever they come up for the others. I do not mind if other classes are also vancian, neither I mind if the Wizard is the only one.But then, I really hope that:a) no class gets infinite spell knowledge anymore, like 3ed clericsb) whatever the mechanical choices, they come from the concept/fluff of the class, not just because it has to be something different or "new"For example, the 3ed Sorcerer was already quite in sync with the concept of "inborn" magical talents, but it would be ok also if it used spell points. I have the feeling that "at wills" should be limited tho or even avoided altogether, as if the Sorcerer was inherently limited by some sort of fatigue.For the Bard, I'd like it to go back to its old concept of "dipping" into magic, thus having the equivalent spellcasting of a (much?) lower level Wizard or Druid, using the same mechanic. Then, in addition to this, there would be his unique song-based magic. Or even better, just give it the unique music-magic, and you can then use plain and simple multiclassing if you want the Wizard-dipped or Druid-dipped version.For the Warlock, I disagree with the AEDU... if it's like a Witch, then it sounds to me like it should be more based on rituals and magic item creation, especially potions and charms/amulets, plus a small number of spells (e.g. shapeshifting). But I think encounter-based make no sense, it's just popular because of 4e, but has no ground in the concept behind the class.Druid and Cleric are the most difficult... I have no idea what would be the best, because I still haven't decided on how much a Cleric's spellcasting power should be directly because of her God, and how much should be her own talent, or IOW even if generally granted by the deity how much is the weight of her own talent in both the number of spells known and the concentration/casting capabilities.</blockquote>

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