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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9595949" data-attributes="member: 18">I'm genuinely sorry for any problems I've caused with this discussion, [USER=1]@Morrus[/USER] but to be clear I'm not exaggerating re: my specific points, I'm factually correct about both the Pussy Galore and Live and Let Die points. Pussy Galore is repeatedly implied to be lesbian (as is her "flying circus"), and Bond forces her into sex and bangs her straight (or at least bi), a classic male fantasy of the era (and which still knocks around, albeit not as much as it once did), even expressed in a couple of inexplicably well-respected literary novels of the era (or even the 1970s, I forget). Live and Let Die literally suggests all Black people period or at least most Black people in New York, depending on how you interpret it, are organised some sort of conspiracy against white people. Repeatedly. There are actually people who would argue it's not even the most racist Moore-Bond film either (though I would politely disagree).If those points aren't what the issue is, I apologise further. I'm guessing you're not suggesting the 1950s and 1960s weren't extremely sexist, full of deeply predatory attitudes towards women and for that matter, female children (very often expressed in movies/song), absolutely full of casual and some quite vehement racism, and near ever-present homophobia, despite also seeing progress in all three spaces, so that's probably not it.I can (but won't avoid causing problems, unless you'd like me to - and I do mean you, I won't just because someone else wants them!) provide many, many other examples of really deeply problematic stuff in the Connery-era Bond movies. The misogyny drops off quite a bit when Moore gets involved (indeed Moore's Bond is almost paternal towards some younger female characters, rather than predatory - an attitude reflected by Moore himself being disgusted by some of this stuff), but if anything the casual racism gets kicked up a notch (albeit less is coming out of Bond's mouth and more from the movies themselves). By the Dalton era it's mostly gone or is pretty tame (albeit plenty of hyperviolence is present in one of the two Dalton movies), and stays gone in the Brosnan era apart from a more mild continuing sexism and the odd weird outbreak of dodgy racist attitudes or just really "Oh boy" problematic stuff.(Homophobia is a separate issue in Bond - Felix Leiter is seemingly lightly implied to be in at least one older incarnation, and doesn't seem to be judged for it, but Rosa Klebb for example is a fairly pure example of homophobia of the most literal kind.)(Also maybe I am completely missing the real issue - I admit I often obtuse, it's been a quality that's hurt and helped me through my life. Sorry if that's it!)Anyway I'll throw the brakes but I do think it's important to remember just how extremely sexist and racist the early Bonds were, and how the actual books are even worse (way, way, ridiculously worse -  if you'll allow me one minor last example, the books on more than one occasion get into actual "race science" ideas, debunked and outdated even by that era).</blockquote>

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