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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9595957" data-attributes="member: 18">Ironically Austin Powers itself has quite a lot of (totally unnecessary) blackface, at least one trans joke that, whilst not evil-intentioned, definitely lead to huge bullying of kids who who didn't fit gender stereotypes well enough, and a fair bit of other dodgy stuff. But it also skewers a lot of Bondian dodgy-ness pretty well and the first movie is still pretty funny and kinda charmingly jolly (increasingly less so the sequels).Re: Bond being a dinosaur, my point is that he's not, actually, not even in the Craig era. He also definitely isn't in the Brosnan or Dalton eras. In fact Dalton-Bond (best Bond) is positively modern. And Moore and Connery are never really even suggested to be dinosaurs that I recall (maybe Moore is in A View to A Kill, by Max Zorin, but that's part of Zorin's characterisation, not Bond's).They just keep saying he is in the Craig-era films. That's not the same as writing him to actually be one.Saying that thrills men of a certain age who think they're like that (pffft). In terms of how he actually acts and behaves, though, Bond just isn't. He doesn't behave some &quot;man out of time&quot;. He just behaves like a fairly typical modern action hero (he's always quipped like he was a Marvel movie all the way back too!). The only genuine point which makes him even theoretically unlike &quot;modern&quot; spies is as I mentioned that he favours human intelligence (i.e. talking to people, sneaking into places, etc.) over drones/hacking/bugs/etc. (but he's always used bugs and used to actually use a lot of hypermodern tech, only Brosnan and Craig have any conscious anachronisms tech-wise, and mostly around the cars). But that's true of pretty much all movie spies, whether they're Ethan Hunt or Jason Borne (Mission Impossible has a piece of magic hypertech, but it's just magic - the masks - and it serves to enable human intelligence). I can't think of a single movie spy who isn't a &quot;dinosaur&quot; by those standards.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9595957, member: 18"] Ironically Austin Powers itself has quite a lot of (totally unnecessary) blackface, at least one trans joke that, whilst not evil-intentioned, definitely lead to huge bullying of kids who who didn't fit gender stereotypes well enough, and a fair bit of other dodgy stuff. But it also skewers a lot of Bondian dodgy-ness pretty well and the first movie is still pretty funny and kinda charmingly jolly (increasingly less so the sequels). Re: Bond being a dinosaur, my point is that he's not, actually, not even in the Craig era. He also definitely isn't in the Brosnan or Dalton eras. In fact Dalton-Bond (best Bond) is positively modern. And Moore and Connery are never really even suggested to be dinosaurs that I recall (maybe Moore is in A View to A Kill, by Max Zorin, but that's part of Zorin's characterisation, not Bond's). They just keep [I]saying[/I] he is in the Craig-era films. That's not the same as writing him to actually be one. Saying that thrills men of a certain age who think they're like that (pffft). In terms of how he actually acts and behaves, though, Bond just isn't. He doesn't behave some "man out of time". He just behaves like a fairly typical modern action hero (he's always quipped like he was a Marvel movie all the way back too!). The only genuine point which makes him even theoretically unlike "modern" spies is as I mentioned that he favours human intelligence (i.e. talking to people, sneaking into places, etc.) over drones/hacking/bugs/etc. (but he's always used bugs and used to actually use a lot of hypermodern tech, only Brosnan and Craig have any conscious anachronisms tech-wise, and mostly around the cars). But that's true of pretty much all movie spies, whether they're Ethan Hunt or Jason Borne (Mission Impossible has a piece of magic hypertech, but it's just magic - the masks - and it serves to enable human intelligence). I can't think of a single movie spy who isn't a "dinosaur" by those standards. [/QUOTE]

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