:( Who else is unhappy that XP comments are now showing up in the post?

[Nifft]

"Creepy stalker" is a *WILD* straw man argument here.

Not meant as a strawman, just meant to illustrate an extreme. All the currently public information was already public, it was just mildly inconvenient.

There is merit in being able to readily make a simple comment that isn't automatically broadcast, whether it is locked in a private box or not.
There is merit to having two different tools that do two different things.
There is merit to reducing things that lend themselves to derailing threads, a problem we already have enough of and this will only bolster.

PMs exist.

Leaving a message on a specific user's profile page exists.

You have the mechanics you want, right?

Can they be made automatically visible to Mods without being pushed into the threads?

Mods thrive on reports. There are very few of them, and rather a lot of us. We can't report stuff we don't see.

Cheers, -- N

 

[catsclaw227]

I saw in a thread earlier today where a mod edited a comment because the person giving the XP did it to snark the post.

SO.... a person gave XP so that they could add a jerky comment, which was then edited by the moderator. I am pretty sure this is not what the XP system was intended to do by the developers of VBul. Also, I agree that giving XP to simply comment about a post is cannibalizing the reason the forum software exists in the first place.... to comment on topics, and most often another's post.

Is there a system in VBul that allows for repping a thread post and not the poster? Shouldn't giving XP to a poster be for more than just "I like what you say here?"

I like the idea of Like/Dislike in a thread post, but posrep for the individuals seems indulgent.

 

[pawsplay]

The visible XP comments thing doesn't bother me, bother me, but after a few days of it, I am definitely missing the good ol' days. XP comments used to be like that friendly aside, "Hey dude, I liked that, even if no one else said so," and now it's kind of a side-thread.

 

[Theo R Cwithin]

Agreeing with pawsplay here. In all the commentary about xp changes, it seems there are two main camps who are viewing the "purpose" of XP differently. And it definitely seems to be a personality thing, judging by who (dis)likes the new system!

I'm still in the previous frame of mind, that it's a less visible signal of appreciation to the poster. The newer view seems to be that it's a public acknowledgment of appreciation, as well as commentary.

But I'm adjusting As Nifft pointed out upthread, there are other mechanisms in place for fully private commincation.

I will however agree with the folks who suggest hiding the XP comments in a spoiler box or something. Whether or not it's a real effect, it seems like I'm resisting "the herd" and fail to hand out xp when I otherwise might have, or vice versa. It's kind of like viewing poll results before voting.

 

[TheYeti1775]

I like the idea of Like/Dislike in a thread post, but posrep for the individuals seems indulgent.

Good you can give me Exp for it.

Its basically a Thumbs Up / Thumbs down just below the signature of each post. Simple Counter of "## of ## found this post helpful"

 

[BryonD]

Not meant as a strawman, just meant to illustrate an extreme. All the currently public information was already public, it was just mildly inconvenient.

Find the last XP I awarded someone. Link it here.

PMs exist.

Leaving a message on a specific user's profile page exists.

You have the mechanics you want, right?

How do these options prevent thread derailing?
How do they avoid cluttering the thread with tangents?

And, no, they don't do the same thing. An instant message automatically tagged to a specific post is a nice tool.

Mods thrive on reports. There are very few of them, and rather a lot of us. We can't report stuff we don't see.

Cheers, -- N

You need to report on private messages from one user to another when neither of them are you? Why?

If I receive a private message that I think merits mod attention, then I can alert them. If I receive a private message that doesn't need mod attention then I really would prefer you not taking it on your behalf to do it.

 

[BryonD]

TI am definitely missing the good ol' days. XP comments used to be like that friendly aside, "Hey dude, I liked that, even if no one else said so," and now it's kind of a side-thread.

Exactly, we had two different tools. Now we have two versions of the same tool.

 

[Nonei]

An instant message automatically tagged to a specific post is a nice tool.

I agree, and I think I like this part of the system the best. I actually think it would be cool to have an option to give a 'neutral' comment on a post.

It is, however, starting to bother me that there's not a way to give someone xp without leaving a comment in the thread, even if it's just a period. I recently viewed a thread that the originator had taken the time to give everyone that replied to his request for ideas with xp, which I think was pretty awesome. Unfortunately, it really detracted from the thread to see "Great idea! Thanks for helping!" over and over again at the end of each post. If he'd had the option of giving XP and having the comment show only on the receiver's profile (like before) I'm sure he would have taken it.

 

[Nifft]

Find the last XP I awarded someone. Link it here.

I'm not a professional stalker, but how's this for 60 seconds of Google work: http://www.enworld.org/forum/genera...se-likes-cantina-post5111240.html#post5111240

How do these options prevent thread derailing?
How do they avoid cluttering the thread with tangents?

Dude. NOTHING prevents thread derailing, NOTHING prevents tangents, and the XP system (or lack thereof) has NOTHING to do with these facts.

Tangents & derailing are much, much older than the internet.

Cheers, -- N

 

[BryonD]

I'm not a professional stalker, but how's this for 60 seconds of Google work: http://www.enworld.org/forum/genera...se-likes-cantina-post5111240.html#post5111240

It fails. And, you found the XP you did because it was IN THE THREAD. If it had not been in the thread, you wouldn't have been able to google out that incorrect answer.

Dude. NOTHING prevents thread derailing, NOTHING prevents tangents, and the XP system (or lack thereof) has NOTHING to do with these facts.

Tangents & derailing are much, much older than the internet.

Cheers, -- N

So adding to it is ok? I disagree.