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<blockquote data-quote="ProfessorCirno" data-source="post: 5113398" data-attributes="member: 65637">To try and jump back on topic:I think the Cantina is fine, so long as it's used sparingly.&nbsp; Otherwise it loses its purpose.The Cantina effect is supposed to be something wild, a &quot;You aren't on Earth anymore&quot; moment.&nbsp; You step into this cantina in the &quot;hive of scum and villany&quot; and find yourself surrounded by all manner of weird aliens and bizarre non-humans.&nbsp; Star Wars was a very human-centric adventure, and the aliens were meant to stand out as being non-human.When everything is the cantina, there's really no point to it.&nbsp; It becomes mundane.&nbsp; Ho-hum, another bar where dragonpeople and angels are drinking with each other.&nbsp; Whatever.Planescape was wild because other settings didn't do the cantina.&nbsp; Dark Sun was pretty adamantly anti-Cantina.&nbsp; Forgotten Realms had it's core seven (human, gnomes, elves, half elves, dwarves, halflings, and half-orcs) but even then, seeing a bar filled with all of them was a hint that you were in a major metropolis - and seeing other races in the tavern was a hint that Something Is Going On Here.To put it in perspective, Planescape: Torment had a quest where your reward was the ability to taste the various different drinks at the Smoldering Corpse Bar.&nbsp; And those drinks?&nbsp; Had no effect on your character at all.&nbsp; Their entire purpose was to show the weird and exotic types of drinks in the setting.Eberron doesn't have a Cantina thing going.&nbsp; It has the Casablanca.&nbsp; Race matters less then nationality - ok, you see an elf, a dwarf, and a half elf drinking together, big deal.&nbsp; But you see members from three different Houses - who are all human - drinking together, and that's a much bigger thing.&nbsp; Business Is Going Down.I think that's the issue people have with the Cantina.&nbsp; It's fine every so often.&nbsp; But if the cantina is forced and made to be always present, it just loses it's point.&nbsp; The exotic becomes mundane.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ProfessorCirno, post: 5113398, member: 65637"] To try and jump back on topic: I think the Cantina is fine, so long as it's used sparingly. Otherwise it loses its purpose. The Cantina effect is supposed to be something wild, a "You aren't on Earth anymore" moment. You step into this cantina in the "hive of scum and villany" and find yourself surrounded by all manner of weird aliens and bizarre non-humans. Star Wars was a very human-centric adventure, and the aliens were meant to stand out as being non-human. When everything is the cantina, there's really no point to it. It becomes mundane. Ho-hum, another bar where dragonpeople and angels are drinking with each other. Whatever. Planescape was wild because other settings didn't do the cantina. Dark Sun was pretty adamantly [I]anti[/I]-Cantina. Forgotten Realms had it's core seven (human, gnomes, elves, half elves, dwarves, halflings, and half-orcs) but even then, seeing a bar filled with [I]all[/I] of them was a hint that you were in a major metropolis - and seeing other races in the tavern was a hint that Something Is Going On Here. To put it in perspective, Planescape: Torment had a quest where your reward was the ability to taste the various different drinks at the Smoldering Corpse Bar. And those drinks? Had [I]no effect on your character at all.[/I] Their entire purpose was to show the weird and exotic types of drinks in the setting. Eberron doesn't have a Cantina thing going. It has the Casablanca. Race matters less then nationality - ok, you see an elf, a dwarf, and a half elf drinking together, big deal. But you see members from three different Houses - who are all human - drinking together, and that's a much bigger thing. Business Is Going Down. I think that's the issue people have with the Cantina. It's fine every so often. But if the cantina is forced and made to be always present, it just loses it's point. The exotic becomes mundane. [/QUOTE]

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