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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jdavis" data-source="post: 653281" data-attributes="member: 8704">so if it's a joint venture in creating the character then why isn't it a joint venture in the characters future? What a lot of people are overlooking here (to some extent me included in past post) is that the issue is that the guy said NO, that he had feelings on the matter, well kill the character off, let the character go live as a hermit, let the character slide into obscurity, how is any of this ruining the game. And to some people playing a character as a NPC or a PC is the same exact thing, you are making decisions for that character. I am not actually one of those people, heck 99% of the time I don't care if my characters come back as crazy ax murderers later, but if I said "you know I would like this character to retire into obscurity", then why should that be a problem, the character wonders off into the sunset, his memory lives on but he stops interacting with the game world. I in no way think that it is wrong to reuse old characters but it is wrong to go against somebodies express wishes, regardless of what the reason they had was. It is just rude, it doesn't matter whether the guy was a nutcase or not, it's his right to be a nutcase, it doesn't matter if he should be honored by this or not. Just let the character not appear anymore, he can be talked about and be part of the history but he doesn't have to appear in a active role, it is in no way neccessary. I don't give a rats ass who owns the character, this could be worked out so much easier without a fight, a little respect is more important than whoever's right it is to own the character. This should never be a fight or a arguement, this should never even be a issue. Here is a little script to help you out in the future.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------DM: So I want to use your player as a NPC after you leave the group.Player: No, I don't think I would like that.DM: OK, so lets figure out how get them out of the story without it causing problems with my story line. Player: Sure maybe the character just wants to be a hermit, or maybe he goes to __________, or etc................................DM: Great, so he will___________________ then.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Why is that so hard, why is that a problem at all? Why is that a issue? Why make somebody unhappy when it isn't neccessarry, it doesn't matter if the guy is crazy why make him crazy and upset too. Oh and on the other thing isn't calling somebody pretentious sort of pretentious too. The whole "anybody that doesn't agree with me is stupid" arguement is a little juvenile. Or how about: Yea how dare they have a different opinion than you. Only you can be right. Geesh I should of just avoided this whole thread, art is about perception, and people are allowed to have opposing opinions and not be considered idiots. Why turn a fun thread on a non-important issue into a insult throwing contest?</blockquote>

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