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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8670839" data-attributes="member: 18">Yeah that is the problem with that argument. It would be nice if people could avoid making it again, because it's just ridiculous/laughable.The DEX thing is a clearly design-balance choice, not verisimilitude of a genre nor realism. How is [USER=6801845]@Oofta[/USER] the only one who has pointed this out? I guess you could call it aesthetics as [USER=58197]@Dausuul[/USER] does but I'm not sure it's as conscious as that, because it's somewhat inconsistent/confused.It has nothing whatsoever to do with reality. Plate should allow a higher DEX bonus than chain or several other armour types if we were going with even mild &quot;realism&quot;, for example. In &quot;realism&quot;-land, the biggest penalties/limits would be on full chain, scale, brigandine, basically anything that's a big huge metal-filled coat and/or pajama suit. But &quot;realism&quot;-land is a terrible place where we're constantly making exhaustion checks, your armour needs to be maintained extensively and gets damaged by combat, and you better have a squire or six following the party around.Plate would be the best choice if you were actually going to wear significant armour, period. For the amount of protection it provides, it's lighter, impairs your movement less, and cooks you far less than chain/scale/brigandine/etc.It's basically wear some amount of plate (whether breastplate, quarter-plate, half-plate, or full-plate), or probably don't really bother with non-magical armour. &quot;Real&quot; D&amp;D adventurers would be psychotically focused on obtaining and wearing magical armour like Bracers of Defense, Rings of Protection, stuff that let you cast armour spells, and so on.And no, water loss/dehydration don't kill you, or a lot of crusaders would have died of that, and they didn't, by and large, not even in multi-hour battles (which were surprisingly common in some crusades). And that was generally wearing chain, which is far worse for exhaustion etc. than plate.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8670839, member: 18"] Yeah that is the problem with that argument. It would be nice if people could avoid making it again, because it's just ridiculous/laughable. The DEX thing is a clearly design-balance choice, not verisimilitude of a genre nor realism. How is [USER=6801845]@Oofta[/USER] the only one who has pointed this out? I guess you could call it aesthetics as [USER=58197]@Dausuul[/USER] does but I'm not sure it's as conscious as that, because it's somewhat inconsistent/confused. It has nothing whatsoever to do with reality. Plate should allow a higher DEX bonus than chain or several other armour types if we were going with even mild "realism", for example. In "realism"-land, the biggest penalties/limits would be on full chain, scale, brigandine, basically anything that's a big huge metal-filled coat and/or pajama suit. But "realism"-land is a terrible place where we're constantly making exhaustion checks, your armour needs to be maintained extensively and gets damaged by combat, and you better have a squire or six following the party around. Plate would be the best choice if you were actually going to wear significant armour, period. For the amount of protection it provides, it's lighter, impairs your movement less, and cooks you far less than chain/scale/brigandine/etc. It's basically wear some amount of plate (whether breastplate, quarter-plate, half-plate, or full-plate), or probably don't really bother with non-magical armour. "Real" D&D adventurers would be psychotically focused on obtaining and wearing magical armour like Bracers of Defense, Rings of Protection, stuff that let you cast armour spells, and so on. And no, water loss/dehydration don't kill you, or a lot of crusaders would have died of that, and they didn't, by and large, not even in multi-hour battles (which were surprisingly common in some crusades). And that was generally wearing chain, which is far worse for exhaustion etc. than plate. [/QUOTE]

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