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<blockquote data-quote="awesomeocalypse" data-source="post: 5088864" data-attributes="member: 85641"><p>[quteo]Rituals need to have an affect on the game. This is a philosophical change more than anything. 4e's main way of doing anything is via encounters (mostly combat encounters) and rituals are inherently isolated from encounters, so you don't ever need to use a ritual for anything, so anything you invest in a ritual is pointless unless your DM makes a special exception just for you. This is a deep divide that affects the structure of the game, the number of assumed combats, the nature of XP, even the powers system itself.</p></blockquote><p></p><p>This.</p><p></p><p>4e is built around the encounter, and by design very little of true importance to the game takes place outside of encounters, because in encounters every character gets to contribute. If something is genuinely important to the party as a whole, the 4e philosophy is that it should be handled in a balanced encounter that everyone can contribute to. If it isn't important to the party as a whole, then it should not be especially important to the game.</p><p></p><p>Rituals are, by rigid design, completely dissociated from encounters, which makes them seem fairly incidental to the game overall. They are never necessary to accomplishing anything, except when the DM specifically tailors a use for them.</p><p></p><p>To be honest, I'm not really sure what the fix is here.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="awesomeocalypse, post: 5088864, member: 85641"] [quteo]Rituals need to have an affect on the game. This is a philosophical change more than anything. 4e's main way of doing anything is via encounters (mostly combat encounters) and rituals are inherently isolated from encounters, so you don't ever need to use a ritual for anything, so anything you invest in a ritual is pointless unless your DM makes a special exception just for you. This is a deep divide that affects the structure of the game, the number of assumed combats, the nature of XP, even the powers system itself.[/quote] This. 4e is built around the encounter, and by design very little of true importance to the game takes place outside of encounters, because in encounters every character gets to contribute. If something is genuinely important to the party as a whole, the 4e philosophy is that it should be handled in a balanced encounter that everyone can contribute to. If it isn't important to the party as a whole, then it should not be especially important to the game. Rituals are, by rigid design, completely dissociated from encounters, which makes them seem fairly incidental to the game overall. They are never necessary to accomplishing anything, except when the DM specifically tailors a use for them. To be honest, I'm not really sure what the fix is here. [/QUOTE]
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