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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jefe Bergenstein" data-source="post: 5089312" data-attributes="member: 31506">What ISNT their schtick? Anything they want to do is covered under once skill. Magic. Since they get everything handed to them, there needs to be a trade off. That's time and gold. Wizards were used to having their cake and eating it too. Not to mention the fighter's cake, rogue's and the social guy's...What does the caster NOT get to do? If the answer is nothing, to me, it suggests that casters need to not be PC classes, or you need to take a look at Ars Magica, where everyone gets a badass wizard and a bunch of peon grogs to order around. Because the old system sucked IMO. So utility magic can no longer let players do something conceivably covered by a skill or ability check? Awesome! I may be on board. However, something tells me this is just lip service to fairness, the same crap that justified being a sleep spell on legs for a level or two as a trade off for being able to solve everything with a few spells later. What's the athletics DC to fly? What's the diplomacy DC to speak with dead? Oh right... magic gets to do all the special stuff, and all the mundane stuff. Because its magic.If you want it fast, easy, reliable and free, take it as a daily utility power.Right now, the cry baby spell casters get skills, powers AND rituals... but its somehow not enough.</blockquote>